Imagine a world without guns

[Crimefree]

Imagine a world without guns

What gun control advocates and government don’t say, and deliberately hide, is the reality of what they want. Government, police and army will still have all their guns so they can look after us. Supposedly providing all the now disarmed citizens who have no rights to self defense or suitable means of defense with all the safety we could possibly ask for! Naturally, this safety will be provided by the government and its guns. (After all, the government claims it can provide safety and security more reliably than citizens.)

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[Fudzy]

It would be awesome, but you'd still have people murdering each other with whatever is the next most lethal weapon... until that is eradicated and replaced with the third most and so on.

 

[Boomstomp]

It would suck big time.

I like hunting with a rifle a lot more than trying to use a spear / bow & arrow.

Also, how do you propose controlling problem animals then? Yeah, imagine... a pride of man-eating lions roaming about because they can't be put down?

 

[unskinnybob]

Government provide criminals with stolen guns. So no there would be no legitimate gun owners. As one of the forum members' signatures state: Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns.

 

[Hemi300c]

Imagine a world without guns is what we are told to do. A world that is safe from violence and crime. A world everyone should aspire to and want to live in. The dream come true. If such a world existed as gun control advocates solemnly promise will happen if we get rid of civilian guns, what would we have? Would it be a world of tranquillity, happiness, joy and unimagined safety for all? Crime a thing of the past. Fear and concern removed, replaced by happiness and contentment.
How will this promise work if gun control succeeds with this claim of utopia we all seek and desire? If we give up our rights and our guns can we then live in peace and harmony as gun control advocates and government say? Is the promise ours if we hand over our natural God given rights to life and self-defence and our guns to government? Is this all we have to do and this dream of a utopian world will be ours?
What gun control and government don't say and deliberately hide is the reality of what they want. Government, police and army will still have all their guns so they can look after us. Supposedly providing all the now disarmed citizens who have no rights to self defence or suitable means of defence with all the safety they could possibly ask for. Naturally this safety will be provided for with government's guns which government claims it can do better and more reliably than citizens.
Criminals will be left with stolen, smuggled and thus unregistered guns government cannot remove are never discussed which from all estimates are equal or more than civilian arms. This source of criminal arms is going to magically vanish with the handing in of law abiding civilian guns.. The ANC stockpiles of 50 to 100 tons of illegal smuggled war arms, ammunition and explosives the ANC still has possession of, is according to the ANC absolutely no danger to anyone. We also have tons of conflict guns that have come across the borders from war torn neighbours that will still be out there. Criminals who ship in banned drugs by the ton will now never be able to slip a single gun into the country. Is it possible that gun control and government are being very very economic with the truth in order to deceive citizens and rob them of their rights?
The sad reality is that ordinary law abiding citizens will be the only people without guns or protection for self defence and must rely on the police or army which government controls. Government, police, army and criminals will all still have their guns.. I wonder what they will do with them in this world of peace, tranquillity and no crime they promise?
It now becomes a question of who can be trusted to provide citizens safety in order that they can live in the promised utopian paradise of gun control. Can the army provide the personal protection that will be needed from armed criminals and government? Can the police or government? There is absolutely no doubt criminals will not. Since neither the army or police provide personal protection, who is going to ensure this promised dream comes true? Who will be safe in this so-called gun free utopian world? Citizens, the army, the police, criminals or government?
Governments in the last century killed 262 Million innocent disarmed citizens they did not like in order to remove those that government could not control. That is six times more than were killed in all the wars. Contrary to governments false rhetoric that it can be trusted only a fool would trust government. Citizens will be fooled, swindled and robbed of their natural or God given right to life and self-defence by gun control and government on a false and unobtainable promise.
Do we have any examples of what happens when citizens are robbed of their rights and disarmed by governments? Is Nazi Germany an example, China, Soviet Union, Cambodia, Rwanda, Uganda, Guatamala or Turkey and many others? Can governments be trusted with guns by unarmed citizens and relied on to provide the security and safety gun control promises? The answer to that has to be a resounding no, not under any circumstances. That would be an irresponsibly foolish reaction to an obvious lie.

And a perfect example is the cANCer cadre boettie Bob Mugabe / Zimbabwe and the killings after gun control.

I don't trust this government with anything and it has been proven and tested - they cannot keep us safe because of their own interests being corruption and gravy. The "protectors" themselves are corrupt:-
Selebi
Bheki Cele
Tshwane’s metro police chief Steven Ngobeni
Zuma himself
etc etc

The protectors will become more and more the criminals because they will know there is no threat from "unarmed" victims.

 

[STS]

i think guns should go the way of cars and have trackers put into them. that way they can constantly be monitored, and people can carry them as much as they like

 

[Eager Chinchilla]

Government provide criminals with stolen guns. So no there would be no legitimate gun owners. As one of the forum members' signatures state: Outlaw guns and only outlaws and corrupt government officials will have guns.

fixed.

Only you can protect you (sic) best.

 

[unskinnybob]

Are corrupt government officials not breaking the law??? Please don't try to correct me.

 

[KleinBoontjie]

"Imagine world without guns", I counted 2 incidents in the last 2 weeks where people were moer-ed to death by unarmed people. That's just 2 I can recall, maybe there was more.
So, no guns doesn't stop the freaks from killing

 

[Crimefree]

think guns should go the way of cars and have trackers put into them. that way they can constantly be monitored, and people can carry them as much as they like

Why? Exactly what will this prevent?

 

[STS]

Why? Exactly what will this prevent?

stolen weapons will be able to be tracked, weapons used can be traced to the scene of the crime, can prevent crimes before they happen if they notice someone with a gun driving around in circles in a neighbourhood, etc. we can already do it with apple products, some have even helped the products be recovered, same as for cars and missing pets.

same time you eliminate the issue of distrust. it's a two street, if you want to be trusted with a gun you will need to trust them monitoring where it is. that way they're not banned, and crime should drop

 

[Crimefree]

Are corrupt government officials not breaking the law??? Please don't try to correct me.

Because they can with impunity. Do you see citizens complaining or marching in the street? Where is the objection to this behaviour?

Is silence not acceptance and agreement?

 

[Keeper]

Imagine a world without guns

Oh you mean like Britain?

 

[biena]

i think guns should go the way of cars and have trackers put into them. that way they can constantly be monitored, and people can carry them as much as they like

Waste of time, so you put a tracker in it that a thief will disable within 10minutes of getting the gun. so once again only law abiding people will have their guns tracked.

 

[spiderz]

stolen weapons will be able to be tracked, weapons used can be traced to the scene of the crime, can prevent crimes before they happen if they notice someone with a gun driving around in circles in a neighbourhood, etc. we can already do it with apple products, some have even helped the products be recovered, same as for cars and missing pets.

same time you eliminate the issue of distrust. it's a two street, if you want to be trusted with a gun you will need to trust them monitoring where it is. that way they're not banned, and crime should drop

I'm against monitoring people. If the system gets into the wrong hands its gonna be chaos.

 

[scudsucker]

Imagine a world without MyNews24

That section of the News24 website produces the most puerile prose outside Youtube comments. It is not even worth engaging in argument about the "article," it is so poorly written and argued.

 

[STS]

Waste of time, so you put a tracker in it that a thief will disable within 10minutes of getting the gun. so once again only law abiding people will have their guns tracked.

not if you engineer it like a french car on top of that, make it so that they have to dismantle the gun entirely, place them in different spots and make them small, making the gun useless and difficult to turn it off.

you give thieves too much credit, a thief that is fleeing a house is not going to stop to take a gun apart when he is running fom police. the gun isn't going to advertise "oh hai, i have a tracker in me", and who knows, it can end up at a stash where other guns are kept. i don't know why this hasn't been done already.

a member here has helped the police catch a group of criminals and recover his iphone/ipad before. the company Tracker has a high recovery rate of vehicles. why would this be a bad thing?

 

[STS]

I'm against monitoring people. If the system gets into the wrong hands its gonna be chaos.

how will it end up in the wrong hands? the government already knows who legally owns guns, your phone is RICAd, your address and bank account can be monitored

 

[Devill]

It would be awesome, but you'd still have people murdering each other with whatever is the next most lethal weapon... until that is eradicated and replaced with the third most and so on.

+1.

Although I do fancy the idea of becoming a police reservist and getting to draw my rapier and don my chain mail.

 

[biena]

not if you engineer it like a french car on top of that, make it so that they have to dismantle the gun entirely, place them in different spots and make them small, making the gun useless and difficult to turn it off.

you give thieves too much credit, a thief that is fleeing a house is not going to stop to take a gun apart when he is running fom police. the gun isn't going to advertise "oh hai, i have a tracker in me", and who knows, it can end up at a stash where other guns are kept. i don't know why this hasn't been done already.

a member here has helped the police catch a group of criminals and recover his iphone/ipad before. the company Tracker has a high recovery rate of vehicles. why would this be a bad thing?

I agree he is not going to dismantle the gun on the spot, thief will go the easiest option which is to just put it in a metal bag, Then take it to a buddy that knows what they are doing to get the tracker removed.

Seriously a gun is not big, by design they are portable and small. Putting a gps receiver and some comms equipment/ antenna/ battery in them is possible in only one place, the hand grip.

As for making the gun difficult to turn off, not so much, find the battery snip a wire and you are done. And how do you find the battery ? disassemble the gun, from the point that you put the gun on an electric charger trace the wires to the tracking circuitry.