Immediate and Urgent call to action

AdLo said:
Your first reference is useless. Your 2nd reference is by the same Pedantic from SAOL that said in http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=260821&postcount=50
One man's contractual loophole is another man's contractually sanctioned offering.

PS. bwana in future don't make sarcastic little comments if you think someone posts something that is not correct. You will just look stupid if you are wrong.
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If you go through the thread those two posts come from I think you'll see that I believed as you did that the 30gb accounts are a loophole. Now that they might have been at one time or another is also debatable but the ISPs are now claiming its done under contract. You'll also notice that I also asked them to produce a contract.

Neither of my previous posts contained sarcasm.

Edit - And why would you say a post from warichard is useless? But thanks for the pedantic reference - I was looking for it the other day.
 
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I like the idea of us all standing together for a common good. so please pass on the forms.
 
While I do agree with what RPM has said, I do feel that we should be prepared to act immediately. As per PeaPod's suggestion, I suggest that we start drafting documentation anyway, that way, if this whole per-gig rape-fest goes ahead, we're ready at the drop of a hat.
 
I agree munwaal

However, we'll also require some harder evidence from the ISPs that this contract exists! So how about it, Axxess, SAOL, WA, AYCE, Imaginet?
 
munwaal said:
While I do agree with what RPM has said, I do feel that we should be prepared to act immediately. As per PeaPod's suggestion, I suggest that we start drafting documentation anyway, that way, if this whole per-gig rape-fest goes ahead, we're ready at the drop of a hat.
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Absolutely. My point being we have to be PROACTIVE and possibly even pre-empt the sitaution. We have always been reactionary but we do actually have the ability to shape the way services are delivered to us - we are the biggest consumer body in the country and we arent generalist, we are a united front for affordable telecommunications and we should build on that and bank on that fact....
We can all do the grow the forum point immediately, so lets do it.
 
ICASA has the power to block the price increases, it happened a few years ago with basic call costs
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I could be mistaken, but the ADSL stuff is resold by SAIX, not Telkom. I'm guessing this means that the per gig stuff doesn't fall under what ICASA is able to control, pricing wise.

Maybe Telkom's doing this to counter the (potential) removal of the line rental?
 
Maybe what we should be doing is trying to pressure Telcrap into disclosing what it intends doing in terms of cost structures from 1'st November. Its almost September, they need to give the ISP's and the consumers time to prepare for any costs changes.

They shouldn't just spring this on us.

This is ESPECIALLY importing for those users (like myself) who have ordered but yet to receive an ADSL connection. For us, we ordered (in good faith) a service under a certain cost regime and by the time it is install the regime changes drastically.
 
scatlett said:
Maybe what we should be doing is trying to pressure Telcrap into disclosing what it intends doing in terms of cost structures from 1'st November. Its almost September, they need to give the ISP's and the consumers time to prepare for any costs changes.

They shouldn't just spring this on us.

This is ESPECIALLY importing for those users (like myself) who have ordered but yet to receive an ADSL connection. For us, we ordered (in good faith) a service under a certain cost regime and by the time it is install the regime changes drastically.
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Agreed. The details are available to the ISP's, but they're under an NDA. I think it's possible that telkom are keeping as quiet about it as possible so that they can "spring" it on us without giving us a chance to fight it.

Is there any way to force telkom to supply us with this information?
 
1) I think we'll need to write a decent letter to Telkom/SAIX wholesale and CC: ICASA, asking for clarification on this particular issue? (Sorry, I'm a bit crummy in that department)
2) Obtain a copy of the contractual agreement that allows an ISP to sell 30gig accounts.
 
I'm all for being prepared. Peapod, you have a way with words, so I presume you have some sort of draft already? If so, can we take a peek?
 
Hi everyone!

Thanks RPM and CO. for providing this neat forum site. It's given me a good education all round. Being a layman, like most new-comers, pls can we get some factual info regarding telkoms entire network/fixed line infrustructure. For example, proof of what their exchanges are capable of, etc. I'm a NOOB here and would love to know how backwards telkom is. I get the feel that this stone-age company has gotten cold feet after giving us their version of ADSL *PUKE* Are they playing games with us? Are they scheming to pull the plug on ADSL, cause they're not capable?

I was in the UK in March 2003 and my buds' situation there was miles ahead then, compared to ours here, now! *SIGH* With Nov 1st looming ahead, I'm seriously considering canceling my ADSL order, which I placed almost a month ago. Like various others have asked above me, pls lets get some certainty regarding this per gig pricing. BTW what a disgusting poster ad I got with my PCformat mag this month! the cheek of it and what hypocrites! Hey PCformat, what happen to all those anti-telkom letters you guys use to include in your mag? Did telkom silence you guys with their advertising contract with you?

Sorry for all the questions. May we all get what we deserve in this day and age!
 
How should I interpret you saying "you might want to pull that from your repertoire"?
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I think it was meant as a suggestion...

:)

Howabout: (except perhaps a little less pompous sounding :P )

To Whom It May Concern:

In the interests of maintaining end-user satisfaction as well as a sense of transparency, we request that information pertinent to rumored Broadband price increases be made publicly available.

As consumers, we feel the need to be aware of any impending changes to services.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Us
 
The high cap accounts are just a contractual loophole that some of the ISPs are using. Most users are still on 3Gb accounts so the big pricing increases will not effect them but only those high cap ADSL accounts.
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This is absolute rubbish, they are not exploiting loopholes or any other IS progpaganda rubbish. They are simply reselling SAIX accounts. Posts like this annoy me.
 
w1z4rd said:
This is absolute rubbish, they are not exploiting loopholes or any other IS progpaganda rubbish. They are simply reselling SAIX accounts. Posts like this annoy me.
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Yep they are buying a 3Gig account from SAIX but selling it as a 30Gig account due to the fact the 3gig capping was enforced by the reseller and not SAIX
 
Bobb said:
I'm with you on this one Peapod. If Telkom go ahead with their plans i will have no option but to cancel my Adsl due to cost restraints.....and i just got it! Lets make such a racket we cannot be ignored!
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so do I....
 
ReGroup

Okay...so lets keep this thread as relevant as we can to the task at hand. Are we agreed then that we immediately
1. All recruit at least 10 new members as fast as possible - encourage them to make one post even if its to the guests thread to say "howzit i'm here"
2. Prepare a letter to Telkom asking them for clarity and transparency on the rumoured pricing structures ahead of any implementation
3. Write the same letter in the open press so that we expose our position and gather more support.

THEN.....
If the worst case happens or looks inevitable,
We follow the original proposed steps and let all shades of hell loose as hard and as loud as we can, Press, ICASA, President, Government, DoC and Telkom?

Wizard, are you guys ready with some serious protest action in support of this?
 
Sounds good peapod. I think (even though they're absolute sheep bladders) giving Telkom the opportunity to set the record straight is the way to go to maintain credibility.
 
AntiThesis said:
Sounds good peapod. I think (even though they're absolute sheep bladders) giving Telkom the opportunity to set the record straight is the way to go to maintain credibility.
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absolutely hence the request for clarity ahead of any insurgence :D
 
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