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I think moosag was merely "playing the game". That techie got taught a lesson, a lesson he needed to be taught. If someone called me a f**king thief while they're trying to rip me off, I'd kick the **** out of them too. Regardless whether they're from Telskum or not.

The other day I was loooking for a new door for my front-loader washing machine (the glass broke). The guy wanted to charge me R240 for a second hand door that "might" work (salesman said he "thinks" it will work) but no refund if it didn't! And at the same store there was a second hand washing machine for R500!!:mad:
I just laughed as loud as I could and exclaimed "Belagluk!" The saleman disappeared to the back of the store and didn't show his face for a while!

Ok, not as entertaining as moosag's episode, but it's time we stopped allowing these (tel?)skumbags to rip us off.
 
TheRoDent said:
I disagree with this... I'd rather pay the techie, and give him a bonus. God knows they need it. They are underpaid, and overworked. Whilst I cannot condone corruption, as you so rightly pointed out moosag, you paid R50 for the docket, so you in fact aided corruption. You would have paid the techie, not Telkom, there's a big difference. I don't see how you can claim "I would rather pay SARS before i pay Telkom".

You were prepared to bribe a police man, but not a Telkom technician? That sounds a bit hypocritical to me...
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Thank you someone who can see the bigger picture. I hate it when people in SA think they can beat up/shoot someone and just get away with it and then with a straight face try and justify themselves. So very sad....

Especially since you commit the same crime you are accusing him of :mad:
 
1. You're prepared to beat a Telkom techie who wants a bribe but not a policeman who wants a bribe (for obvious reasons of course, you'll get into quite a bit more trouble)?

2. You claim to be fighting Telkom by beating this guy up, yet I can guarantee you Telkom is not endorsing or encouraging this techie's behaviour. In this scenario you can't claim to fight both Telkom and corruption. Your actions had no effect on Telkom as a company as far as I can see.

I'm questioning your motives for even posting about this. I'll also apologise in advance for the following statement moosag. You're vigilante attitude is in no way noble, I don't think you're 'fighting the good fight'. You stooped to the level of a common criminal in the end. Your behaviour was childish in my opinion.
 
I dont think you've read a single thing i have said.
I do not justify, neither do I condone. What i've done is wrong and I do know that, niether do I argue it. I merely provide "MY PERSONAL OPINIONIATED REASONING" as to my actions. And heres a bit of advice.

Wake up. Dont live in a fools paradise. We all can see the big picture. We live in a real world. Not a fantasy world where everything is rosy and perfect. If you knew the amounts of corruption that went on in Parastatal organisations you would be appauled. If you knew how much of Tax Payers money is being spent on the most ludacrous of things.. trust me you'd start a civil war. This is simply a method of Guerrila Warefare. Use their tools against them.

Now before you get all agro and stuff. Remember the following. The above advice/statement is "MY PERSONAL OPINION". I respect everyones opinion irrespective of whether its good or bad. And I ask of you to do the same. Agree or disagree, that is your poragative.

The problem in this country is that there is no regulation of any sort. Whether consumer, legal, anything. Go to 3 of the nearest garages to you. Compare prices of bread, milk and cigarretes. If all 3 are the same then i will rest my case. In 1st world countries if the supermaket down the road is 10c out he will be fined.

Anyways thats a simple example as to what regulation is in terms of the consumer is. In this country there is no such thing as regulation. Government persue the wrong avenues in doing business for personal gain. Seeing that youre talking about the BIG PICTURE take the telecoms industry. its the perfect example.

The problem is
- Telecoms cost is too high
- This prevents economic growth
- Which in turn prevents, lack of education, lack of wealth, etc.. (the list goes on and on and on)

Now ask yourself why is this.
1) Telkom has been granted a monoply. ( Of which has ended)
2) Telkom was a state owned entity. It is now partly privatised but still partly state owned.
3) You tell me what prevents government specifically DoC from opening up market??? Its simple... They have their own interests at heart. Look at it which ever way you want... but that is the bold truth. There's a couple of fat cats out there (IN GOVERNMENT) protecting their investments by delaying the 1) SNO (which is still not operation and 3 years late) and 2) Liberisation of the Telecoms market.

Now you know what... If that is not a crime then I dont know what is.
Thats a simple example of consumer regulation not being implemented because those who are responsible for implementing such a thing have their hands in the honey jar. Call it corruption, call it extortion, call it Piet Pompies for all i care... Its still a crime. If you want to sit back and get taken advantage off because "doing the right thing" is "against the law"... then you know what... tell me who you are... I am sure i can make money out of you and take advantage out of you in some way... Which is exactly what government does to EVERY SINGLE SOUTH AFRICAN CITIZEN every single day of our lives. No on in this country stands up and makes a stand. This is suppose to be a democracy. but i doesnt act like one.

As South Africans we get screwed over in so many ways... but yet we all still smile in the morning and carry on with our daily lives and b*tch and moan and complain... But none of us actually do something. What RPM has done on this website is amazing.. And I take my hat off to him. As for myself... I like to see results fast. Thats why I did what I did. And yes its wrong... but given the circumstances I dont have any other options to fight telkom to get what I paid for. So I used a simple method of brute force and the iron fist theory. Its worked for centuaries. and its worked for me.
 
martin said:
1. You're prepared to beat a Telkom techie who wants a bribe but not a policeman who wants a bribe (for obvious reasons of course, you'll get into quite a bit more trouble)?

2. You claim to be fighting Telkom by beating this guy up, yet I can guarantee you Telkom is not endorsing or encouraging this techie's behaviour. In this scenario you can't claim to fight both Telkom and corruption. Your actions had no effect on Telkom as a company as far as I can see.

I'm questioning your motives for even posting about this. I'll also apologise in advance for the following statement moosag. You're vigilante attitude is in no way noble, I don't think you're 'fighting the good fight'. You stooped to the level of a common criminal in the end. Your behaviour was childish in my opinion.
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BTW in this instance... I was not trying to fight the good fight. I am fighting for what I paid for.. And what i deserve. This in no way got anything to do with the bigger picture. Its a simple... I was being ripped off. And I will fight for my right not to be ripped off even if I have to stoop to the level of a criminal, because its my constitutional right to fight for what i believe in. Your entitled to your opinion and so am i.

I shared the information I learned from my experience... That is contribution to fighting the good fight. But the rest has got nothing to do with it. :)
 
moosag said:
I am sure i can make money out of you and take advantage out of you in some way... Which is exactly what government does to EVERY SINGLE SOUTH AFRICAN CITIZEN every single day of our lives. No on in this country stands up and makes a stand. This is suppose to be a democracy. but i doesnt act like one.
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Uhm, that's what all governments do. Anybody thinking that a political party or government will ever have their best interests at heart is sadly deluded. The function of governments \ political parties is to amass power for their "leaders". No government in the world has any interest in the welfare of the people under its control.
 
Not completely... You do get some Governments out there who do actually look after their people. Malaysia, Singapore and the Arab States (Not including the war torn countries) look after their people.

And yes you are right that majority of Governments dont really care about the well being of their people. Democracy is in turn Capitalism which in turn means that he who bids the highest and spends the most becomes president. Debatable of course...

Anyways in other countries their leaders promote Economical growth for their countries. In our country our leaders promote "Riding the Money Train" and "Personal Pocket Growth"... What do we do???
 
moosag said:
I dont think you've read a single thing i have said.
I do not justify, neither do I condone. What i've done is wrong and I do know that, niether do I argue it. I merely provide "MY PERSONAL OPINIONIATED REASONING" as to my actions. And heres a bit of advice.

Wake up. Dont live in a fools paradise. We all can see the big picture. We live in a real world. Not a fantasy world where everything is rosy and perfect. If you knew the amounts of corruption that went on in Parastatal organisations you would be appauled. If you knew how much of Tax Payers money is being spent on the most ludacrous of things.. trust me you'd start a civil war. This is simply a method of Guerrila Warefare. Use their tools against them.
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I think I know a bit about corruption coming from Zimbabwe.
I always thought guerilla warfare was defined as surprise attack and quick withdrawal.
How exactly are you using "their tools against them"?

moosag said:
Now before you get all agro and stuff. Remember the following. The above advice/statement is "MY PERSONAL OPINION". I respect everyones opinion irrespective of whether its good or bad. And I ask of you to do the same. Agree or disagree, that is your poragative.
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And I am simply stating mine.

moosag said:
The problem in this country is that there is no regulation of any sort. Whether consumer, legal, anything. Go to 3 of the nearest garages to you. Compare prices of bread, milk and cigarretes. If all 3 are the same then i will rest my case. In 1st world countries if the supermaket down the road is 10c out he will be fined.

Anyways thats a simple example as to what regulation is in terms of the consumer is. In this country there is no such thing as regulation. Government persue the wrong avenues in doing business for personal gain. Seeing that youre talking about the BIG PICTURE take the telecoms industry. its the perfect example.

The problem is
- Telecoms cost is too high
- This prevents economic growth
- Which in turn prevents, lack of education, lack of wealth, etc.. (the list goes on and on and on)

Now ask yourself why is this.
1) Telkom has been granted a monoply. ( Of which has ended)
2) Telkom was a state owned entity. It is now partly privatised but still partly state owned.
3) You tell me what prevents government specifically DoC from opening up market??? Its simple... They have their own interests at heart. Look at it which ever way you want... but that is the bold truth. There's a couple of fat cats out there (IN GOVERNMENT) protecting their investments by delaying the 1) SNO (which is still not operation and 3 years late) and 2) Liberisation of the Telecoms market.

Now you know what... If that is not a crime then I dont know what is.
Thats a simple example of consumer regulation not being implemented because those who are responsible for implementing such a thing have their hands in the honey jar. Call it corruption, call it extortion, call it Piet Pompies for all i care... Its still a crime. If you want to sit back and get taken advantage off because "doing the right thing" is "against the law"... then you know what... tell me who you are... I am sure i can make money out of you and take advantage out of you in some way... Which is exactly what government does to EVERY SINGLE SOUTH AFRICAN CITIZEN every single day of our lives. No on in this country stands up and makes a stand. This is suppose to be a democracy. but i doesnt act like one.

As South Africans we get screwed over in so many ways... but yet we all still smile in the morning and carry on with our daily lives and b*tch and moan and complain... But none of us actually do something. What RPM has done on this website is amazing.. And I take my hat off to him. As for myself... I like to see results fast. Thats why I did what I did. And yes its wrong... but given the circumstances I dont have any other options to fight telkom to get what I paid for. So I used a simple method of brute force and the iron fist theory. Its worked for centuaries. and its worked for me.
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I'm not sure why the above is of any relevance in your situation? Sure, I agree with most of it, that's why I joined MyADSL but as I stated earlier:
"You claim to be fighting Telkom by beating this guy up, yet I can guarantee you Telkom is not endorsing or encouraging this techie's behaviour. In this scenario you can't claim to fight both Telkom and corruption. Your actions had no effect on Telkom as a company as far as I can see."

Sure, you may have made one techie think before he tries to extort money from someone again but you got involved in a criminal act in the process. Who knows, you could have possibly achieved the same results by simply reporting him to police or his superiors. What I disagree on with you is that I don't think your fighting Telkom or government's telecoms policies in any way through what you did.
 
moosag said:
Not completely... You do get some Governments out there who do actually look after their people. Malaysia, Singapore and the Arab States (Not including the war torn countries) look after their people.

And yes you are right that majority of Governments dont really care about the well being of their people. Democracy is in turn Capitalism which in turn means that he who bids the highest and spends the most becomes president. Debatable of course...

Anyways in other countries their leaders promote Economical growth for their countries. In our country our leaders promote "Riding the Money Train" and "Personal Pocket Growth"... What do we do???
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My brother is actually living in Malaysia at the moment. Trust me, they have there fair share of problems like every other country.
 
Sorry, but I got to go with moosag here, I would even say that it's not [that] wrong. Everyone says to stop talking and do something, well this is moosag doing something. I bet the next guy, or even this techie, the next time around won't be so brave. It only the bad guys that are doing sommething and its time to fight back. Moosag, did you get the techie's name?

Thanks for the Telkom Rep's name as well, it could come in handy.

So the dudes got a bump on the noggin, it'll heal. But then again maybe moosag, maybe you should've done like these others are suggesting and taken the 'Ivy' approach by doing no more than talk?
 
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About the malaysia thing.... I guess you right... But you know what.... They dont have a rape every minute... There is hardly any crime there. According to international stats the "LOCAL" people love him. I am "assuming" you brother is a foriegner. His vote dont really count. But I stand to be corrected. I am just going on what I have read and seen when I was down there.

As for the good fight. People think I am fighting the good fight.
I am going to put it as simple as I possibly can.

Fighting the Good Fight = me sharing my experience and what I learnt from it with regards to Telkom Techies and ADSL DIY on this forum. For me that is my contribution to fighting the good fight.

The criminal/hoodlum/childish/[put your version here] actions of myself were personal. You hit me, i'll hit you back. You swear me i'll swear you back. You steal from me, i'll kill you. Thats my personal behaviour. Thats got nothing to do with "fighting telkom", "fighting corruption". I beat the guy merely coz he wanted to extort money out of me. And i'll do it again and again and again if needs be.
 
Daaru said:
Sorry, but I got to go with moosag here, I would even say that it's not [that] wrong. Everyone says to stop talking and do something, well this is moosag doing something. I bet the next guy, or even this techie, the next time around won't be so brave. It only the bad guys that are doing sommething and its time to fight back. Moosag, did you get the techie's name?

Thanks for the Telkom Rep's name as well, it could come in handy.

So the dudes got a bump on the noggin, it'll heal. But then again maybe moosag, maybe you should've done like these others are suggesting and taken the 'Ivy' approach by doing no more than talk?
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Talk???? hahahaha.... Its been 10 years since so called "Freedom". And things have only been getting worse. I have gone along with peoples theory about "Things have to get worse before they can get better". Well you know what. If people will steal from a SA Cancer Association. Rape 6 month old babies. Murder, rape and pillage every single day, every single hour, every single minute. And you know what.... Its a different story if you read it in the paper and its happening to people you dont know. Ever single week somone I know is affected by some crime or the other. And government sit back, steal our money, and demand that we pay our taxes.

Everyone who believes that our Country is heading in a good direction heres some hard hitting information. I work for an IT company. We have just spent 14 months developing a solution (me = software developer) for them which will save them around R20m a year. They paid 6m for it. Its ready, its working, its waiting to be deployed. You want to know whats the verdict???
"Its a white mans solution". But the funny part is I aint even white. I am indian. Imagine what 6m could have done for the poor with housing??? And if you think this is the only case I can show you records of this happening over and over and over again amounts to 100 of millions of rands washed down the drain. And the best part of it all is when they are asked to "account" for the wastage of funds in front parliament... They get of scott free. [BY ME SAYING THIS I COULD PROBALY GET INTO TROUBLE... BUT YOU KNOW WHAT.... BRING IT ON... I'LL DONNER ANY BUGGER THAT TRIES TO SHUT ME UP]

So you know what... Those of you holding your breath waiting for government to do something about this telecoms industry, you going to end up dying suffocating... Its worth the effort, I completely agree. But sometimes you need to be able to forecast failure and success. Its like playing the stock market. Which ones do well and which ones drop like a bad habit.

As citizens we have to right to bring this kind of obination to an end. But we dont... And I dont know why.
 
moosag said:
About the malaysia thing.... I guess you right... But you know what.... They dont have a rape every minute... There is hardly any crime there. According to international stats the "LOCAL" people love him. I am "assuming" you brother is a foriegner. His vote dont really count. But I stand to be corrected. I am just going on what I have read and seen when I was down there.
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Have to disagree, if he was a tourist then yes maybe but he's living and working there at the moment and interacting with the culture and the people each day. I don't think one can simply disregard that.

moosag said:
As for the good fight. People think I am fighting the good fight.
I am going to put it as simple as I possibly can.

Fighting the Good Fight = me sharing my experience and what I learnt from it with regards to Telkom Techies and ADSL DIY on this forum. For me that is my contribution to fighting the good fight.

The criminal/hoodlum/childish/[put your version here] actions of myself were personal. You hit me, i'll hit you back. You swear me i'll swear you back. You steal from me, i'll kill you. Thats my personal behaviour. Thats got nothing to do with "fighting telkom", "fighting corruption". I beat the guy merely coz he wanted to extort money out of me. And i'll do it again and again and again if needs be.
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Fair enough. Although I cannot condone your behaviour, I do now have a better understanding of where you're coming from and I certainly respect your right to making your own decisions.
 
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