Improved fuel economy device...

[PostmanPot]

The concept is based on oxyhydrogen.

 

[Piepalook]

Ok so there might be some truth to having the hydrogen in addition to the petrol thus, theoretically, reducing the amount of fuel required?

As for answering this question:

You certainly will get better fuel consumption with a Hydrogen/petrol mix.

In newer vehicles however, you have a oxygen sensor installed in the exhaust system that regulates the petrol rich/lean mixture.

As soon as this sensor realises that your car is burning petrol more efficiently, it automatically makes the mixture richer.

This equates to you using more fuel,and you would not have a fuel saving.

This sensor needs to be bypassed.

 

[Piepalook]

The concept is based on oxyhydrogen.

Correct.

We prefer not to call it oxyhydrogen.

Some people also refer to this as "Brown's Gas"

What i did was to seperate the oxygen completely from the Hydrogen.

Oxyhydrogen is extremely explosive.

Never work indoors with it.

Hydrogen is extremely light, and collects on the ceiling inside an enclosed space.

The moment you switch a light on, the spark is enough to ignite it .

Gone is your house and most probably you as well.

I repeat, i will take no responsibility if you guys should be so stupid as to kill yourselves.

 

[HavocXphere]

Look at this article from the National Research Council Canada... the technique certainly works!

What they describe there is simple electrolysis. Grade 8 stuff. They also forgot to mention that the thing needs to be plugged into a wall socket to produce hydrogen.

Either they left out the part that was the breakthrough or they just managed to rediscover electrolysis under a different name.

Same with that HHO in the OP. It needs *POWER* to split H20. Lots of power. And then you can use the end result to produce power...but its a little less than you put in originally.

This is a hydrogen fuel cell.

The thing that uses the hydrogen is the fuel cell.

The baking soda as electrolite causes oxidation of your valves.

Tap water has enough electrolytes in it as it for these fun & games. But if mixing baking soda into the mix works for you then thats great.

Also, how can you just condemn something you haven't tried?

I've not tried shooting myself either. Nonetheless I'm pretty sure that its a rubbish idea. Call it intuition.

Anyway...go for it. Be sure to post progress reports in the science section of the forum.

 

[Piepalook]

What they describe there is simple electrolysis. Grade 8 stuff. They also forgot to mention that the thing needs to be plugged into a wall socket to produce hydrogen.

Either they left out the part that was the breakthrough or they just managed to rediscover electrolysis under a different name.

Same with that HHO in the OP. It needs *POWER* to split H20. Lots of power. And then you can use the end result to produce power...but its a little less than you put in originally.


The thing that uses the hydrogen is the fuel cell.


Tap water has enough electrolytes in it as it for these fun & games. But if mixing baking soda into the mix works for you then thats great.


I've not tried shooting myself either. Nonetheless I'm pretty sure that its a rubbish idea. Call it intuition.

Anyway...go for it. Be sure to post progress reports in the science section of the forum.

Thanks for your input.

Please read my posts before commenting.

The electrolysis i am talking about here is most definately not Grade 8 stuff.

A normal 12 volt system is used to generate the Hydrogen.

It would be extremely unwise to pretend that you know what you are talking about, when clearly you do not know.

It is also a fallacy that it takes more power to split the Hydrogen atoms from the oxygen, than the power you get out.

Also, i said not to use baking soda.

There is a good reason for this: your engine would rust up from the inside.

As for your comments about not shooting yourself, and stating that it a rubbish idea,i would rather not comment on that.

Once again, thanks for your input.

 

[Piepalook]

To produce Hydrogen, never use 220 volt ac.
You must use 12 volt direct current,2 amps max.

220 volt ac will cause the electrolite to heat up and produce steam.
You do not want that.

Tapwater damages 316 stainless steel, and reduces the amount of Hydrogen produced.

As an electrolite you shoud use KOH or in simple terms caustic soda.

Always use distilled water.Stainless steel plates are expensive.

 

[cerebus]

They're making biofuel out of strawberry Jam!!11!!1!1

 

[Piepalook]

Caustic soda is extremely corrosive and should not be touched by hand.

Always ensure that you have an adequate scource of clean water close by,in case of accidents occuring.

 

[Piepalook]

They're making biofuel out of strawberry Jam!!11!!1!1

Is it possible?

How do they get rid of the sugar content?

As far as i know you need a fatty substance.

 

[ettubrute]

No offense taken!
Care to share? Selling the idea? I'm very interested!

No.

I will not sell the idea.

I will give it away for free.

That was my first question: care to share?

As I said, I'm very interested! Anything to make people independent from government and the big corporates! I am already thinking about getting all the know-how to convert cars to electrical, and then set up a shop where I can teach people how to do it, or do it for them. But if you have a hydrogen variant, that will also be cool!

 

[Piepalook]

That was my first question: care to share?

As I said, I'm very interested! Anything to make people independent from government and the big corporates! I am already thinking about getting all the know-how to convert cars to electrical, and then set up a shop where I can teach people how to do it, or do it for them. But if you have a hydrogen variant, that will also be cool!

I am having the prototype built.

The 316 stainless steel plates have to be cut by laser,to prevent the plates from warping, also it has to be done tovery fine tolerances.

As i explained before,the supply wires tend to overheat,with 12 volt 40 amps.

As i have no electronic background, i got a guy to design a circuit board to reduce the amps in order to prevent the wires overheating.

As soon as i assembled the generator,and installed and tested it,i will place the entire thing on my webpage.

Anybody that wants to build it then, can.

Once it is on the web, proprietry right to the design automatically expires and no one can lay a claim to the rights as it then would be in the public domain.

I intend placing test results,plans,and safety features on the web page.

I will keep you guys informed as to progress.

 

[ettubrute]

Thanks, dude!

 

[Claymore]

Piepalook, how do you get past the fact that the energy requirements for breaking the hydrogen-oxygen chemical bonds in water exceed the energy released by burning hydrogen?

 

[Piepalook]

Piepalook, how do you get past the fact that the energy requirements for breaking the hydrogen-oxygen chemical bonds in water exceed the energy released by burning hydrogen?

The Faraday principle.

I do not know that the Faraday Principle applies in this case.

I installed a 105 amp alternator.
It takes about 1 horsepower from the engine.
With a 12 volt system and dual batteries i only use 2 amps to generate with.
On the smaller reactor i produce about 2 litres of Hydrogen per minute.
This is not enough.
So i am building a 101 cell generator.At 2 amp current draw.

In theory i should be able to run a 4.9 litre internal combustion engine with it.(without petrol)

The magic number is 68 litres of uncompressed Hydrogen per minute.

 

[jouberai]

Hydrogen cell

If you manage to build it into your car that works, I'll by a conversion job from you...

 

[oober]

The Faraday principle.

I do not know that the Faraday Principle applies in this case.

I installed a 105 amp alternator.
It takes about 1 horsepower from the engine.
With a 12 volt system and dual batteries i only use 2 amps to generate with.
On the smaller reactor i produce about 2 litres of Hydrogen per minute.
This is not enough.
So i am building a 101 cell generator.At 2 amp current draw.

In theory i should be able to run a 4.9 litre internal combustion engine with it.(without petrol)

The magic number is 68 litres of uncompressed Hydrogen per minute.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perpetual_motion Although seeing is believing.

Let us know when you have it generating net power... Good luck.

 

[Claymore]

Interesting article on using hydrogen as a fuel:

The Hydrogen Economy

"The laws of physics mean the hydrogen economy will always be an energy sink. Hydrogen’s properties require you to spend more energy than you can earn, because in order to do so you must overcome waters’ hydrogen-oxygen bond, move heavy cars, prevent leaks and brittle metals, and transport hydrogen to the destination. It doesn’t matter if all of these problems are solved, or how much money is spent. You will use more energy to create, store, and transport hydrogen than you will ever get out of it."