Inconsiderate N1 Bikers

SykomantiS said:
In my own opinion, in the given situation, gap or no gap, the key thing here is the indicator. I've been in this very situation countless times (though perhaps at a slower speed) and when a car wishes to change lanes, I'm happy to oblige- if I can see the intention via the persons indicator. It's why all vehicles have them (bikes too). In the given situation, a biker speeding along and getting angry at the car would be in the wrong.
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An indicator on the N1 is the signal for the guy in the lane behind you to speed up to stop you from changing lanes in front of him :D
 
ToxicBunny said:
See you completely misread the situation...

Traffic is travelling at 40km/h.. aka traffic jam. I am indicating to change lanes, and waiting for a gap. A gap presents itself and I check my mirrors etc etc and start to change lanes and a biker pretty much appears out of nowhere since they are travelling so much faster than the prevailing traffic... the only person to blame for the situation is the biker. There is NO fault attributable to the driver of the vehicle in that situation.

And no, I wouldn't apologise in that situation, I would call the biker a fscking retard, and if my window was open I would hope he heard it.
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One of the rules that make it technically legal to lane split is a biker is not allowed to travel faster than 20 km/hr above the prevailing speed of those on the road. So already any biker that is going like a bat out of hell is breaking the law.


Pitbull said:
He didn't take every precaution if he did he would have slowed down, allowed the taxi in and would still have had his mirror. This all started with wanting to get one over the taxi in my opinion. He wanted to stay next to the taxi to prevent it from entering his lane. That is just how I see it and I might be completely off the mark. I have seen this way too often.

Taxi pushes into a lane and the driver currently in the lane will show the taxi he will not get in that lane ahead of him... If I'm wrong I apologise as I'm sure the OP will say it's not the case.
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I suggest you read post number one again and then see if you have interpreted what he said correctly.

The law says you may not move out of your lane without indicating and checking if it is safe to do so. So while he remained within the lane, he was fully entitled to use every mm available to him. The interpretation of the biker that this constituted a driver trying to block him from lane splitting was WRONG. The biker clearly could not see WHY OP had moved over and his subsequent actions are completely illegal and uncalled for.
 
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ToxicBunny said:
Nope, given a traffic jam, a lane change doesn't necessarily mean the gap is available for the full vehicle, a person in the other lane may have indicated to me that they will let me in and therefore I would start to move over before the gap had fully formed.

I agree about the defensive driving bit, but you seem to very often err on the side of defending the bikers when very often I see bikers doing monumentally stupid things on the roads and then getting upset when drivers are following the laws and not doing anything wrong.
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Agree with it being a traffic and you're indicating to chance lanes. Would it not be good practice to do it when it's safe to do so. If there is a bike already in the gap lane splitting you think it's ok to cut him off so you can squeeze into a half gap and block the open part for the bike to pass?

I have many times come up on someone already blocking my way as they are in a half gap waiting for the traffic to move to complete the change. I just pas that car on the back to the left and move into the gap again. It's easy and no problem. The problem is when you cut a biker off. If he's already there and you force yourself in his way you have to agree it's a dick move as he has just as much right to be there as you do.
 
daniellgr said:
One of the rules that make it technical legal to lane split is a biker is not allowed to travel faster than 20 km/hr above the prevailing speed of those on the road. So already any biker that is going like a bat out of hell is breaking the law.
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Wait, I thought you said there are no special rules/laws for bikes? :D
Not that the above is present anywhere in the NRTA, so I'm not sure where you pulled it from. It is only a guideline that all bikers should follow to you know, stay alive and stuff
 
daniellgr said:
One of the rules that make it technical legal to lane split is a biker is not allowed to travel faster than 20 km/hr above the prevailing speed of those on the road. So already any biker that is going like a bat out of hell is breaking the law.




I suggest you read post number one again and then see if you have interpreted what he said correctly.
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Yes I did 100%. No where in post 1 did he say he indicated to move to the next lane. I'm more than happy for you to point that out. I'm not a dick head on a bike. Just like in my car. If someone indicates to chance lanes I give them the lane and the gap in front of me. Same on the bike. Bike or car, don't indicate and try and push in front of me...
 
just a small little side note.

defensive driving in a traffic jam becomes really strange.
I ride on allendale every day. there is a jam every day.
on one part in chloorkop, I can do 60 to 80 while splitting there if the traffic is doing 40. if the traffic is doing 60, I CAN do 100, but I dont need to. I pass through the traffic with ease, at 80, get ahead of it, and I can cary on at 80 ahead of traffic.

further down, by the gautrain bridge, if traffic is doing 40, I am doing 60.
traffic is doing 20, I am doing 40
traffic is standing still, I am doing 20, in first all the way.

but this is based on that section of road.

now lets take the N1 N in the afternoon, coming from Rivonia towards Allendale.
I take that area the same as the second section of Allendale, because people change lanes without warning all the time.
from time to time there is a guy creaming past me in the emergency lane (cars and bikes do this) or there is a bike going faster than me, so I give him space.
99% of the bikes though keep to very similar speeds to what I do. normally I am not the bike in front, or the bike at the back, but there is about a car length between all of us, we all pay attention to the traffic and I have never seen a biker show a hand signal on that route to a car, or take off a mirror.


but hey, all bikers drive like maniacs and want to be treated like princesses, and all car drivers drive like a-holes but no one bats an eye. and no taxi ever make everything worse for everyone....
 
Pitbull said:
Yes I did 100%. No where in post 1 did he say he indicated to move to the next lane. I'm more than happy for you to point that out. I'm not a dick head on a bike. Just like in my car. If someone indicates to chance lanes I give them the lane and the gap in front of me. Same on the bike. Bike or car, don't indicate and try and push in front of me...
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Because he did NOT want to change lanes!. He was simply avoiding the taxi driving over the line on his LHS.
 
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Baxteen said:
just a small little side note.

defensive driving in a traffic jam becomes really strange.
I ride on allendale every day. there is a jam every day.
on one part in chloorkop, I can do 60 to 80 while splitting there if the traffic is doing 40. if the traffic is doing 60, I CAN do 100, but I dont need to. I pass through the traffic with ease, at 80, get ahead of it, and I can cary on at 80 ahead of traffic.

further down, by the gautrain bridge, if traffic is doing 40, I am doing 60.
traffic is doing 20, I am doing 40
traffic is standing still, I am doing 20, in first all the way.

but this is based on that section of road.

now lets take the N1 N in the afternoon, coming from Rivonia towards Allendale.
I take that area the same as the second section of Allendale, because people change lanes without warning all the time.
from time to time there is a guy creaming past me in the emergency lane (cars and bikes do this) or there is a bike going faster than me, so I give him space.
99% of the bikes though keep to very similar speeds to what I do. normally I am not the bike in front, or the bike at the back, but there is about a car length between all of us, we all pay attention to the traffic and I have never seen a biker show a hand signal on that route to a car, or take off a mirror.


but hey, all bikers drive like maniacs and want to be treated like princesses, and all car drivers drive like a-holes but no one bats an eye. and no taxi ever make everything worse for everyone....
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So in this response you justify your daily illegal actions because "everyone else is also doing it!"

Great, now we have what us law abiding road users want ---- all bikers are hell bent on breaking the law because "everyone else is doing it"

I am sure those responsible bikers out there are not all impressed with your attitude!

Because you "can" does not justify driving at the speeds you indicate in this response.

You are clearly one of those bikers that is aggravating the hatred that vehicle owners have for all two wheelers.
 
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daniellgr said:
So in this response you justify your daily illegal actions because "everyone else is also doing it!"

Great, now we have what us law abiding road users want ---- all bikers are hell bent on breaking the law because "everyone else is doing it"

I am sure those responsible bikers out there are not all impressed with your attitude!
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where do I talk about breaking the law in the post you are quoting?

just quote me one thing in the post I made that is actually against the law?
 
daniellgr said:
Because he did NOT want to change lanes!. He was simply avoiding the taxi driving over the line on his LHS.
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:erm:

He inevitably did change lanes. Unless the lanes on the N1 is big enough to accommodate 2 vehicles...

My second post was in relation to an example ToxicBunny posted I think you should keep with the developments of the thread ;)
 
I sold my bike eventually - too many a s s h o l e car drivers on the road - too many near misses (and I am/was an ultradefensive biker - I always reminded myself that cars just don't see you).

Never took someone's mirror off, but felt like doing many times - that incident that Pitbull describes with the woman looking at him turning at a green intersection and just shooting through - yeah, been there.

All of that said, the biker described by the OP is a douche.
 
daniellgr said:
So in this response you justify your daily illegal actions because "everyone else is also doing it!"

Great, now we have what us law abiding road users want ---- all bikers are hell bent on breaking the law because "everyone else is doing it"

I am sure those responsible bikers out there are not all impressed with your attitude!

Because you "can" does not justify driving at the speeds you indicate in this response.

You are clearly one of those bikers that is aggravating the hatred that vehicle owners have for all two wheelers.
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Where did you get that from?
Please read this thread I honestly think you've got the arse end of the stick here...
 
Baxteen said:
where do I talk about breaking the law in the post you are quoting?

just quote me one thing in the post I made that is actually against the law?
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Read your own post and change it if you do not want others to interpret it as I have done .....
 
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pinball wizard said:
Bloody cyclists on the N1.

It does sound a bit like the OP saw the biker coming along, lane splitting, which is in fact legal, got a fright when he saw a taxi, and swerved to the right and cut the biker off. Maybe the biker's reaction was overboard, but he probably just had a near death experience.
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It's his choice to ride a bike so he shouldn't be one to bitch about having near death experiences. Schit happens on the road especially with taxis involved, and the last thing that is on anyones mind when avoiding a taxi is the d00s who is lane-splitting...
 
Ancalagon said:
Let's wait for the Biker Defense Brigade to come in and tell you that it was your fault for driving a car in the first place!
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You mean a 'cager'. That is their buzzword, think it's meant to be insulting or something...
 
daniellgr said:
Read your own post and change it if you do not want others to interpret it as I have done .....
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I am sorry, I think you have a comprehension problem.
I apologise, I did not intend to make fun of the mentally challenged.
 
That was specifically addressed to Baxteen and not to the rest of the thread. So again I suggest you should read properly before responding.
 
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