Incredible Corruption - Xbox 360 -Skelms

They're just upset they chose the wrong console.

I have realised that I should have gone with the PS3 despite the massive price difference. All I wanted was some hassle free gaming so I dropped my old faithful PC that has never let me don for this rubbish console (which could have been godlike)
 
Most companies agree it's just not worth stocking a product that give them so many problems.
Really? Most you say.

well some stores, like toys r us, have simply dropped the xbox 360 completely.
Which only makes me wonder whether their management have any sense. They have dropped a product being sold by other major retailers, so all sales of that product and its software go elsewhere.

Whether shops do a swap or refund for any product depends on their specific store policy. I don't know IC's policies in that regard.

Yeah it sucks to have the console go down right now when you have time off and were looking forward to playing. On the other hand what MI Digital are offering is actually better for many people. Some of us would rather fill in a form and wait a few days for a replacement instead of spending half an hour driving to a shop, then another hour in a queue, then another half hour while they do the paperwork, and another half hour to get home. However MI Digital used to make it your option - get your Microsoft reference number and go to the store for a swap, the store calls MI Digital to confirm and they give you a replacement or get Microsoft reference number and have a replacement delivered.
 
I have realised that I should have gone with the PS3 despite the massive price difference. All I wanted was some hassle free gaming so I dropped my old faithful PC that has never let me don for this rubbish console (which could have been godlike)

I see you are in the Jhb area. Stop complaining and just take it directly to MID in Bedfordview, as suggested before. I swapped mine in ten minutes last week.

I've had my Xbox for two years now and will never go back to PC gaming.
 
I think what also happened is that a lot of "chipped" consoles got send back from
the retailers as they would not know if that happened.

So MI digital most likely made a policy to do the swap out themselves.

But any store should have a policy to replace a defective machine within 7 days anyway - if not it is bad customer service on there part.
 
I see you are in the Jhb area. Stop complaining and just take it directly to MID in Bedfordview, as suggested before. I swapped mine in ten minutes last week.

I've had my Xbox for two years now and will never go back to PC gaming.
Even when the games hit r1000 each?
Well unless they've started this recently, you are incorrect. I took my RRoD'd Xbox into IC Gateway where I bought it and they replaced it with a newer unit (old one didn't have an HDMI port, the new one did).
Pity M$oft didnt do the same with mine. New unit (manufactured in Sept) but no HDMI. :(
 
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I see you are in the Jhb area. Stop complaining and just take it directly to MID in Bedfordview, as suggested before. I swapped mine in ten minutes last week.

I've had my Xbox for two years now and will never go back to PC gaming.

RandomGRK has a point.

No-one should be satisfied having to deal with a defective unit. Xbox or PS.

South Africans have no idea of their consumer rights.

You should not be happy to have to drive (or otherwise) to a place to take your console (which you have owned for less than a year) to in order for it to be replaced by a not-new unit.

Sorry. But it is totally unacceptable.

There should be NO problems. Especially during the first year of a products lifetime.

Its almost as if an xbox purchaser is thinking "I hope that when I buy the console, I don't have to return it in a year".

Should someone think like that? NO.

Consumers are being shafted by the distributors in SA left, right and center.

:mad:
 
I agree Identity. SA consumers are generally stupid so they deserve to get shafted.
 
Even when the games hit r1000 each?(

Even then, but I won't pay R1K a game.

I will:
a) Buy online after the game has been out a while
b) Import
c) Buy Pre-played
d) Borrow games (I have three friend with Xbox's)
e) Exchange
 
... in order for it to be replaced by a not-new unit.

They gave we a brand new unit when mine RRod after two years (Date of Mfg 28-08-2008). They opened a new, sealed pro-bundle box (the one with Lego and KungFu Panda).
 
RandomGRK has a point.

No-one should be satisfied having to deal with a defective unit. Xbox or PS.

:mad:
Isn't it a part of the new Consumer Protection Bill that someone has a right to return defective goods? ....or hasn't that bill been passed yet?

Either way, I think that if a retailer is prepared to sell a product, knowing very well its defect/failure rate, they should be obliged to take responsibility for the units that come back (at the very least on items sold up to 7 days prior). If not, they should pull a 'Toys R Us' and, quite simply, not sell it.

FFS, its a brand new unit. They should swap it out. Sympathies RandomGRK :)

Edit: Consumer Protection Bill [B19D-2008] (http://www.pmg.org.za/taxonomy/term/269)

* Bill 19 - Consumer Protection Bill

Bill Version:
B19D-2008
Effective Date:
19 September 2008

Consumer’s right to return goods

20. (1) This section is in addition to and not in substitution for—
(a) the right to return unsafe or defective goods, contemplated in section 56; or
(b) any other right in law between a supplier and consumer to return goods and
receive a refund.

Implied warranty of quality
56. (1) In any transaction or agreement pertaining to the supply of goods to a
consumer there is an implied provision that the producer or importer, the distributor and
the retailer each warrant that the goods comply with the requirements and standards
contemplated in section 55, except to the extent that those goods have been altered
contrary to the instructions, or after leaving the control, of the producer or importer, a
distributor or the retailer, as the case may be.
(2) Within six months after the delivery of any goods to a consumer, the consumer
may return the goods to the supplier, without penalty and at the supplier’s risk and
expense, if the goods fail to satisfy the requirements and standards contemplated in
section 55, and the supplier must, at the direction of the consumer, either—
(a) repair or replace the failed, unsafe or defective goods; or
(b) refund to the consumer the price paid by the consumer, for the goods.
(3) If a supplier repairs any particular goods or any component of any such goods, and
within three months after that repair, the failure, defect or unsafe feature has not been
remedied, or a further failure, defect or unsafe feature is discovered, the supplier must—
(a) replace the goods; or
(b) refund to the consumer the price paid by the consumer for the goods.
 
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Game

Service Guarantee
We will have any item under warranty, repaired for you - should that take longer than 3 weeks, the item will be replaced or refunded. For warranty purposes, proof of purchase is required. We also ensure ongoing service on any product bought from Game even after the warranty expires. Costs will be kept to a minimum.

If the item(s) is faulty within the first 7 days from Game you can ask for full cash refund...(confirmed this telephonically)

Imagine that...

Or how about CNA's policy...

Exchanges for software, electronic games, CD’s (music or other), DVD’s (movies or other), or consumable products will only take place within seven (7) days from date of purchase on condition that proof of purchase is supplied. Regrettably we cannot under any circumstances refund any software, electronic games, CD’s (music or other), DVD’s (movies or other), or consumable products if the product has been installed or the packaging has been opened. We will however exchange the product for the same product in the event that the product is damaged or faulty.

o and P.S. CNA has 7 days refund when you buy directly in store (I know since I took back 2 faulty PSP's)
 
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They gave we a brand new unit when mine RRod after two years (Date of Mfg 28-08-2008). They opened a new, sealed pro-bundle box (the one with Lego and KungFu Panda).

Isn't it a part of the new Consumer Protection Bill that someone has a right to return defective goods? ....or hasn't that bill been passed yet?

Either way, I think that if a retailer is prepared to sell a product, knowing very well its defect/failure rate, they should be obliged to take responsibility for the units that come back (at the very least on items sold up to 7 days prior). If not, they should pull a 'Toys R Us' and, quite simply, not sell it.

FFS, its a brand new unit. They should swap it out. Sympathies RandomGRK :)

Edit: Consumer Protection Bill [B19D-2008] (http://www.pmg.org.za/taxonomy/term/269)

* Bill 19 - Consumer Protection Bill

Bill Version:
B19D-2008
Effective Date:
19 September 2008

Consumer’s right to return goods

20. (1) This section is in addition to and not in substitution for—
(a) the right to return unsafe or defective goods, contemplated in section 56; or
(b) any other right in law between a supplier and consumer to return goods and
receive a refund.

Implied warranty of quality
56. (1) In any transaction or agreement pertaining to the supply of goods to a
consumer there is an implied provision that the producer or importer, the distributor and
the retailer each warrant that the goods comply with the requirements and standards
contemplated in section 55, except to the extent that those goods have been altered
contrary to the instructions, or after leaving the control, of the producer or importer, a
distributor or the retailer, as the case may be.
(2) Within six months after the delivery of any goods to a consumer, the consumer
may return the goods to the supplier, without penalty and at the supplier’s risk and
expense, if the goods fail to satisfy the requirements and standards contemplated in
section 55, and the supplier must, at the direction of the consumer, either—
(a) repair or replace the failed, unsafe or defective goods; or
(b) refund to the consumer the price paid by the consumer, for the goods.
(3) If a supplier repairs any particular goods or any component of any such goods, and
within three months after that repair, the failure, defect or unsafe feature has not been
remedied, or a further failure, defect or unsafe feature is discovered, the supplier must—
(a) replace the goods; or
(b) refund to the consumer the price paid by the consumer for the goods.

So from what it seems like, you both are happy to have defective units. You just take it in, you MIGHT get a new one, and you go home.

Tell me, does CNA, IC or MIDigital refund you for your petrol?

Didn't think so.
 
MID replaced my unit within a week with a brand new one. It failed two years after I bought it. BTW, MID normally send a courier to you with the replacement, so there is no need for petrol costs, unless you choose to drive to them (which I did).

The point is, there IS a process to get it replaced. It may not be ideal, but all hope is certainly not lost.

In my case it was not an out-of-box failure, which I agree SHOULD be replaced by the store. Mine was an in-warranty failure, and I received a brand new unit within a week.
 
MID replaced my unit within a week with a brand new one. It failed two years after I bought it. BTW, MID normally send a courier to you with the replacement, so there is no need for petrol costs, unless you choose to drive to them (which I did).

The point is, there IS a process to get it replaced. It may not be ideal, but all hope is certainly not lost.

In my case it was not an out-of-box failure, which I agree SHOULD be replaced by the store. Mine was an in-warranty failure, and I received a brand new unit within a week.

Well, I think the crux is that you really are content with sub standard service.

There should be no failure in 2 years - anyway.

:)
 
South Africa actually has the better policy for dealing with a defective Xbox.

So from what it seems like, you both are happy to have defective units. You just take it in, you MIGHT get a new one, and you go home.
Overseas, yes. Here people are typically getting new ones.

Tell me, does CNA, IC or MIDigital refund you for your petrol?

Didn't think so.
Do Walmart and Best Buy do it? What about Tesco?

Well, I think the crux is that you really are content with sub standard service.
Other than the unusually high failure rate, about a third of the original design, the service is actually very good.

There should be NO problems. Especially during the first year of a products lifetime.
Every product has some failures. We've bought two of the same product from the same shop at the same time - one gave endless problems, the other worked perfectly for years.
 
So from what it seems like, you both are happy to have defective units.
Hardly. No product is perfect so there will always be failures, its a simple reality. I simply want reassurance that IF something went wrong its not a hoop jumping exercise to get it sorted out.
 
@RandomGRK: Just complain to IC head office as the JD Group (their holding co) are b@st@rds to work for once you have a couple of complaints on your file.

http://www.connection.co.za/custfeedback.asp

[ Did it to HiFi corp the other day and got some good feedback. ]

It just sums the place up doesn't it!

Customer Feedback

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South Africa actually has the better policy for dealing with a defective Xbox.


Overseas, yes. Here people are typically getting new ones.


Do Walmart and Best Buy do it? What about Tesco?


Other than the unusually high failure rate, about a third of the original design, the service is actually very good.


Every product has some failures. We've bought two of the same product from the same shop at the same time - one gave endless problems, the other worked perfectly for years.

1) Typically. So therefore not guaranteed.

2) Ok. That therefore means that half your items failed.

You mention American firms. That lends little credence to your argument for South African consumer rights.

Is there a body that you, as a console owner, can approach to complain about MIDigital or any other?

We are treated, perhaps rightfully so, as a third-rate economy by multinationals.

It's sad.
 
Well, its been 4 days and I have already received the new xbox. Suprisingly, it came from IC. The same manager I argued with phoned me bright and early monday morning after head office had phone him. I did complain via the customer feedback section on the IC site and for some reason this response was more than I imagined. They said they would give me a direct swop because MID were not answering their phones.

I told the manager I wished I could get a PS3. As a favour and sorry he said if I could give the extra R2300 I could get a pS3. Too bad xmas just passed and I dont have that money available. Problem with the Xbox is that Im just waiting for it to fail. Everytime it sticks for a nanosecond I think "lovely, its freezing". I have no faith in it.

BTW..Fight Night Round 3 is great fun. Even if its a tad old.
 
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