Intel kills off 8th-gen desktop CPUs

[kolaval]

No that isn't how games work. I have my work cut out for me it seems. lol Will reply later, which might help with a better understanding, and how things might work in the future especially with regards to unreal 5.

Linus did a video on this in the PS5
Kinda does sound how it works.
Seems like the storage on the PS5 would be such that all the assets needed might not need to be loaded I to memory. They're making their own SSD controller it seems.

 

[wizardofid]

Linus did a video on this in the PS5
Kinda does sound how it works.
Seems like the storage on the PS5 would be such that all the assets needed might not need to be loaded I to memory. They're making their own SSD controller it seems.

Yeah I figured as much with regards to the PS5, but it still needs to be loaded to memory regardless, the APIs layer should be interesting, it might entirely possible that they link the GPU directly with the SSD on a dedicated lane, it would be much better than the shared bandwidth on PC it has to deal with.

However as I said before it is sketchy, as a video that was deleted showed that the demo was running on a current gen laptop, by a Chinese developer recently and actually preformed slightly better then the ps5 demo.

Which raises a couple of questions, especially with regards to the bandwidth really needed.It might very well be hyping a wolf in sheep's clothing and very cleverly scripted and chosen words.Will have to wait and see. lol

 

[WanderingMind]

BULL DUST. Perhaps with SSD controllers and the nand flash technology of yesteryear. Filling up an SSD, won't reduce the life expectancy, it will however reduce performance of the drive, however it will still be faster then an HDD.

With a decent current gen SSD you should get in excess of 100+ years of use even for a heavy user. Leaving space open on a SSD is recommendation nothing more

Worst POSSIBLE advise to buy a entry level laptop, and then upgrade, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, show me where it is cheaper to buy and then upgrade a laptop.

Dell Inspiron 3593 both has 8Gig ram, 10th gen CPU, unlikely there is a 4Gig ram version, if there was there isn't a huge difference in price like SSD vs HDD versions., so you could knock off R500 ish on each version for the lower ram.

1T HDD version is 10K
256gig m2 SSD drive 10700K to 10800K ish.

Consider the M2 drive not on special is at least 1k for a decent drive, and decent 8gig DDR4 2666mhz ram sodimm is at least 1K. Which means doing your upgrade path costs more.

Between you and me Icore3 laptops aren't entry level they are mid range, entry level price is generally between 3k and 4.5k Latest 10th gen Icore3 brand name Icore3 start at around 7k ish.

I am glad you were a technician as in past tense , I wouldn't allow you near any of my hardware.

You good sir are correct, I made an error. The performance of the SSD is will be slower.
I got confused, although my point would have been valid a couple of years ago.

I won't say you are correct or wrong about your perception of cheaper laptops.
When I did my research this was the case. Prices change and times change.
These things change daily.

If it's indeed better now to buy a more expensive and get more bang for buck then it's great.

Your definition and my definition of entry level is different that's all.
Anything below i3 is just garbage and won't last long.
R7K is entry level.

As for touching your hardware.
Why would I want to touch it?
You seem fully capable of handling it on your own.

Please don't assume you can judge somebody by a single post.
If you can give better advice and give more recent information then that's great.
Times change, prices change and good advice can may even become bad advises.

It's good to inform people if they may be wrong but manners is also important for civil people.

 

[wizardofid]

You good sir are correct, I made an error. The performance of the SSD is will be slower.
I got confused, although my point would have been valid a couple of years ago.

I won't say you are correct or wrong about your perception of cheaper laptops.
When I did my research this was the case. Prices change and times change.
These things change daily.

If it's indeed better now to buy a more expensive and get more bang for buck then it's great.

Your definition and my definition of entry level is different that's all.
Anything below i3 is just garbage and won't last long.
R7K is entry level.

As for touching your hardware.
Why would I want to touch it?
You seem fully capable of handling it on your own.

Please don't assume you can judge somebody by a single post.
If you can give better advice and give more recent information then that's great.
Times change, prices change and good advice can may even become bad advises.

It's good to inform people if they may be wrong but manners is also important for civil people.

Google entry level GPU, laptop, android tablet, android, phone, you will find the industry sets what is entry level, and no entry level is in no way garbage, I have a entry level android tablet, however it has 4gig ram and 128gig storage basically matching high end and mid range tablet, but because it has a helio x27 DECA core it is classed as entry level. The tablet beats most entry level tablets sold in South Africa, which in most cases are peddling all previous gen stuff with 1gig ram and 16gig ROM, in most cases with 3g still.I have a entry level laptop, that is passively cooled which means it has a lower clock/speed.

I however went with a AMD dual core as the APU is significantly better then Intel, battery live for a passively cooled device pretty decent and especially for load shedding extremely useful for tasks not suited to phone or tablet in the event of load shedding.There was no physical need to get a device to match desktop performance as it would be silly and a wasteful expenditure in general especially for a back up device. Unfortunately for you this laptop can't be upgraded, as every thing is pretty much soldered on, and while it had some issues with regards to heat dissipation, application of quality thermal paste drastically improved throttling and heat dissipation, it is even capable due to the better apu of doing a gaming session or two even if it means playing an older game or two and having tested quite a few, performance with thermal throttling in mind is pretty decent.

Now if you have done you research, emmc 5.1 is no slow poke and has a theortical transfer rate of 400mb/s slightly faster then the average hdd, connect that with DDR4 memory, APU and AMD dual core, actually makes for a interesting little machine.But apparently this is garbage to you, even if I have a specific use for it in mind.

Entry level isn't based on your opinion it is based on the industry and is market related.

Celeron, duron, sempron, dual core, for as long as these CPUs have been in production have they been classed as entry level even some low clocked/low power iCore 3 CPU's will be classed as entry level as they have significant reduced performance. Prices in this regard is quite reflective of this as well.

Same applies to GPUs 64bit entry, 128bit midrange and 256bit high end and above that the super highend.

Even price brackets indicate this, so no it isn't what I define as entry it is what the market and industry has presented and has done so, pretty much for ages.
Entry level has its market and exactly does what it needs to and serves a purpose, just because you have no use for it does mean it is garbage or useless, there are awesome entry level stuff out there and has massively improved over the years.

This is how entry level is defined by the industry at least, however there is exception to the rule, when you require specific entry level, Student, office, gaming, scientific, programming, development, video/image editing ect.As for the generic term of entry level remains the same.

Please show me how upgrading an icore3 laptop is cheaper buying a base model and upgrading the ram and storage, then buying a icore3 laptop with the required specs outright.

Already pointed out with the super simple example of the same model that buying the specific model needed works out cheaper, always will and always has with the rare exception.

With regards to SSDs, you said you were a ''technician'' which means you should know your ISA port from your PCI port, unless you were completely isolated from YouTube, tech websites and other sources, No person who calls them self a technician, would not have been aware of the improvement of SSD technology in recent years, aware of hardware costs in general and recommend buying a base model and then upgrade it. Especially concerning laptops that would quite possibly void warranty pending on the manufacture. Sure people make mistakes, but calling your self a technician and making a mistake like that, it is like being a botanist and planting a seed at the wrong time.

I am having a shovel sale, be sure to sign up for it, it comes with optional upgrade of entry level civility and manners.

 

[rambo919]

Google entry level GPU, laptop, android tablet, android, phone, you will find the industry sets what is entry level, and no entry level is in no way garbage, I have a entry level android tablet, however it has 4gig ram and 128gig storage basically matching high end and mid range tablet, but because it has a helio x27 DECA core it is classed as entry level. The tablet beats most entry level tablets sold in South Africa, which in most cases are peddling all previous gen stuff with 1gig ram and 16gig ROM, in most cases with 3g still.I have a entry level laptop, that is passively cooled which means it has a lower clock/speed.

That just means it a upper entry level device.

I have never met a celeron laptop that is not a waste of money. I have met some i3 laptops that are throttled to the point of being celerons. Yes, these entry level devices are garbage.

Now if you have done you research, emmc 5.1 is no slow poke and has a theortical transfer rate of 400mb/s slightly faster then the average hdd, connect that with DDR4 memory, APU and AMD dual core, actually makes for a interesting little machine.But apparently this is garbage to you, even if I have a specific use for it in mind.

Entry level isn't based on your opinion it is based on the industry and is market related.

That's a fine fantasy but in practical reality entry level is based on what is available for the cheapest on the open market.... you get lost in ideals and theory. What you think of as entry level is mid range for most people.... and this is SA not murica.

 

[rambo919]

Your definition and my definition of entry level is different that's all.
Anything below i3 is just garbage and won't last long.
R7K is entry level.

The problem there is i3 should ideally be entry level, but it's only the top half of it. All the garbage is entry level as well.

 

[wizardofid]

That just means it a upper entry level device.

I have never met a celeron laptop that is not a waste of money. I have met some i3 laptops that are throttled to the point of being celerons. Yes, these entry level devices are garbage.


That's a fine fantasy but in practical reality entry level is based on what is available for the cheapest on the open market.... you get lost in ideals and theory. What you think of as entry level is mid range for most people.... and this is SA not murica.

huh, it isn't based on ideals or theory, it is based on market and industry research, ideally what the markets will tolerate for the various levels, whether it is USA or RSA, entry level isn't necessarily dictated whether you are 3rd world or 1st world country. Have a look at incredible connection what they offer as entry mid range, they have grouped the two together, but none the less it pretty much matched up with USA, which pokes holes in any fancy argument you put forward. ?

Now go ahead, with the exceptions of specific brands, show there is a difference between entry level in USA and South Africa on brands that is available in both.

There is nothing wrong with celerons, they serve a specific purpose, and just because it isn't suited to your needs doesn't mean it is garbage, but clearly you fail to grasp the concept as do many.

However perhaps it should be made bold so that it sinks in.

No one is forcing you to use entry level hardware, they serve a specific targeted group of users and tasks. Because it isn't useful or able to do the specific tasks you had in mind, no way detracts from what its main purpose, especially laptops, the casual user.

It is pretty much the same as saying a nvidia 730GT or 710GT is worthless piece of garbage because you are unable to run crysis on it with full settings and yet they serve specific tasks.


You know what screw it, have fun.

/exit

 

[rambo919]

huh, it isn't based on ideals or theory, it is based on market and industry research, ideally what the markets will tolerate for the various levels, whether it is USA or RSA, entry level isn't necessarily dictated whether you are 3rd world or 1st world country. Have a look at incredible connection what they offer as entry mid range, they have grouped the two together, but none the less it pretty much matched up with USA, which pokes holes in any fancy argument you put forward. ?

No entry level is based on market and market is based on buying power percentage, entry level because of exploitation is much wider in SA than it is in USA. Incredible Corruption has always overpriced everything. At midrange the two markets generally start to match up yes.

Now go ahead, with the exceptions of specific brands, show there is a difference between entry level in USA and South Africa on brands that is available in both.

There is nothing wrong with celerons, they serve a specific purpose, and just because it isn't suited to your needs doesn't mean it is garbage, but clearly you fail to grasp the concept as do many.

Celerons are worthless beyond browsing or tablet devices, anything more takes forever to actually happen. G seris chips are the bare sane minimum for anything useful. I have sat hours waiting for even i3 laptops just properly run windows because OEM's cripple the chips for whatever reason.

However perhaps it should be made bold so that it sinks in.

No one is forcing you to use entry level hardware, they serve a specific targeted group of users and tasks. Because it isn't useful or able to do the specific tasks you had in mind, no way detracts from what its main purpose, especially laptops, the casual user.

Wrong, for many people the price FORCES them to use entry level hardware. You reason from a position of luxury which you don't seem to realize.

It is pretty much the same as saying a nvidia 730GT or 710GT is worthless piece of garbage because you are unable to run crysis on it with full settings and yet they serve specific tasks.

For anything beyond 2010 yes those cards are mostly useless and within the decade might even struggle to run windows for all we know.

A core2duo is often more usefull and cheaper to get than a modern celeron.

 

[WanderingMind]

The problem there is i3 should ideally be entry level, but it's only the top half of it. All the garbage is entry level as well.

Agreed, especially the i3 processors with only two cores.
I am so glad AMD is upping the core count. All Ryzen 3 3000 processors have 4 cores.

 

[WanderingMind]

Let me make it clear. I use my devices for 5 years+
Spent now more, get a better experience.
That's value for money.

Spent little money, be frustrated and moan and groan.
Waste time waiting for the computer.
people thinking buying cheap is good...
I have seen it to many times, people, normal users usually regret it very quickly.
Running a Windows 10 laptop with 2GB of RAM, even 4GB is not enough anymore

Google entry level GPU, laptop, android tablet, android, phone, you will find the industry sets what is entry level, and no entry level is in no way garbage, I have a entry level android tablet, however it has 4gig ram and 128gig storage basically matching high end and mid range tablet, but because it has a helio x27 DECA core it is classed as entry level. The tablet beats most entry level tablets sold in South Africa, which in most cases are peddling all previous gen stuff with 1gig ram and 16gig ROM, in most cases with 3g still.I have a entry level laptop, that is passively cooled which means it has a lower clock/speed.

Tablets is a another subject altogether. I was not speaking about ARM...

Now if you have done you research, emmc 5.1 is no slow poke and has a theortical transfer rate of 400mb/s slightly faster then the average hdd, connect that with DDR4 memory, APU and AMD dual core, actually makes for a interesting little machine.But apparently this is garbage to you, even if I have a specific use for it in mind.

Entry level emmc devices is usually 32GB, 64GB or 128GB. The devices cannot be upgraded.
That's a useless device. The OS will take half the space.
Cannot load a lot of programs.
Cannot load a lot of music, movies, pictures.
Useless, use that for 5 years with joy... I don't think so.

Even price brackets indicate this, so no it isn't what I define as entry it is what the market and industry has presented and has done so, pretty much for ages.
Entry level has its market and exactly does what it needs to and serves a purpose, just because you have no use for it does mean it is garbage or useless, there are awesome entry level stuff out there and has massively improved over the years.

Second hand high end products from 4 years ago is much much better than these devices.

They sell because people are bad, very bad with money.
People don't save. They spend and go make loans.
That's why these sell.
Garbage products...

With regards to SSDs, you said you were a ''technician'' which means you should know your ISA port from your PCI port, unless you were completely isolated from YouTube, tech websites and other sources, No person who calls them self a technician, would not have been aware of the improvement of SSD technology in recent years, aware of hardware costs in general and recommend buying a base model and then upgrade it. Especially concerning laptops that would quite possibly void warranty pending on the manufacture. Sure people make mistakes, but calling your self a technician and making a mistake like that, it is like being a botanist and planting a seed at the wrong time.

Wow, just wow.

Voiding warranties. Really?
You do realize some laptops are build to be upgradable?
You do realize that's been a thing for years and years. A very long time... Go read about it.
I have never ever voided a warranty upgrading a pc.

You should really crawl out of that tiny box you live in.
"Technician" was my job title at multiple companies.
You also cannot read. sigh...
You must be a flat earher or something. Really tiny box... So small...
Try to escape from it please.