Intel kills off the desktop, PCs go with it

InternetSwag said:
From a practical standpoint, how often does anyone really upgrade their CPU without upgrading the motherboard anyway?
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The problem I see is the Motherboard is more likely to pack up than the CPU.

So instead of a R400 to R2000 cost it will be R4K+ to repair.
 
Just out of interest, how many of you change CPUs on the same motherboard? Every upgrade I do generally requires a new motherboard.
 
I have yet to upgrade the CPU on my Mobo.. its always a combo of both...
 
I've upgraded quite a few Celeron's to Core2Duo CPU's at my office and I've swapped out quite a few CPU's on my personal computers.

Generally I do replace both the CPU & motherboard, because I tend to buy high end CPU's from the start.
 
As mentioned though it could be a repair cost issue, unless they come with 5 or 10 year guarantees, because now you'll need to pay R4000 instead of say R1500 because your USB ports packed up or lightning damaged your ethernet port or PCI slot.
 
walterl said:
How does integrating the CPU on the motherboard kill the desktop?
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It basically kills the custom built PC, but not specifically the desktop. You'd be buying an off-the-shelf specification instead of mix and matching, and the whole point of customizing your case and interior would be annulled. I wonder if they won't also eventually strangle off the discrete GPU segment to boot.
 
Re: Intel kills the desktop

Additionally, you'll have less a a variety to choose from. Asus for example, won't make two Maximus whatever boards anymore to cater for i5 and i7 but probably just one for i7. Less mixing and matching is the issue, not so much how upgradable the package is.
 
hey, nobody has complained about how the FLAT PLASMA/LED TV's killed the CRT TV or how the Digital wireless Telephone Handsets killed the old "Ring telephone".

Laptops are losing some market due to Tablets. I don't remember the last time that I bought a "Music CD".

even servers will not be required anymore as they all will be in "super-servers farms". The closest system to a "physical" desktop will be a "All-in-One" Computer.

One day your DSTV dish in your roof will be useless as you will be getting your favorite TV channels via Fibre.

It all evolves...
 
Intel has been producing motherboards with integrated processors for quite some time both in the laptop market and the Intel Atom. The market for discreet graphics cards has shrunk with Intel HD so the article is premised on a fallacy.

Intel will integrate components as much as suits Intel acting as a player in the market. My guess is Intel will end up rolling out workstation and Blade motherboards with multiple PCI-e slots (16 and 1) and 6 or so slots for RAM and a built on USB 3 controller and 2 SATA slots with the processor fully integrated. If you want a file server you'll get a SATA controller board for 8 or 10 SATA points and if you want a graphics card (remembering that the motherboard will already cover HD) then you'll get such a board.
 
Eskom has taken out my Mobo twice now, but still using the same cpu. Thankfully I'm on AMD.
 
I call bull**** on the headline, and the article stinks of fabricated "facts".

On the other hand, Intel's NUC concept, which should be on shelves soon, should satisfy 80% of the market. A 17W chip is now more than able to run Excel, or VLC at 1080p, so there goes the DIY office PC and HTPC. The cheap SSDs that fit the NUC box are now big enough to handle any amount of archived emails and more than a few apps. Good riddance to building office PCs and the never ending fight to find quality, reliable components.

For everyone else, I don't see much changing. High end CPUs will always be available to pair with the MB of your choice. Any rumours to the contrary are probably bull****. There are just too many permutations to possibly pre-build systems for even 20% of that market. **** knows who started these rumours, or why.
 
^ everyone not using the NUC concept falls into the power workstation (not POWER workstation, but the same sort of base as that was intending to cater for), or special purpose system or rack server. If Intel can cover those markets with an integrated MB with CPU combo I don't see why they won't - provided the motherboard supports proper expansion cards. If there is a demand for discreet CPUs they'll make discreet CPUs but my guess is the case for discreet CPUs will fade particularly if USB3 gains traction (and yes I am betting on USB 3 and Thunderbolt gaining traction)
 
Paul Hjul said:
^ everyone not using the NUC concept falls into the power workstation (not POWER workstation, but the same sort of base as that was intending to cater for), or special purpose system or rack server. If Intel can cover those markets with an integrated MB with CPU combo I don't see why they won't - provided the motherboard supports proper expansion cards. If there is a demand for discreet CPUs they'll make discreet CPUs but my guess is the case for discreet CPUs will fade particularly if USB3 gains traction (and yes I am betting on USB 3 and Thunderbolt gaining traction)
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Could you expand a bit on your statement that the need for discreet CPUs will fade if USB3 or Thunderbolt get a bit of a better foothold?
 
Messugga said:
Could you expand a bit on your statement that the need for discreet CPUs will fade if USB3 or Thunderbolt get a bit of a better foothold?
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Okay basically the motherboard CPU division is premised on having different combinations of features on a motherboard and processing power on the CPU - so you could slot on a celeron P3 onto a motherboard supporting 6 SATA connections, 2 PATA connectors and with a legacy ISA slot for whatever daughterboard was needed. The Atom as a legacy free PC has integrated motherboard and processor and it works provided you have the right bus support what does the motherboard diversity bring to the game. Well the answer is more ports and the question is which ports matter does extra SATA on a motherboard offer value when storage solutions using thunderbolt and USB work like a bomb? Extra PCI-e slots are dependent more than anything on the processing power available and similarly more USB controllers demand more processing power so the customization routine goes out the window. Intel can possibly get to a situation where:
Atom 32bit or 64 bit - 2 SATA, 2 USB3, 2 USB2, 1 HDMI and 1 of each PCI-e 16 and 1 lane, 2 RAM slots
Core i3 - jack up USB 3 to 4 add an extra PCI-e (say 4 lane) and 4 RAM slots
Core i5 - add in Thunderbolt controller capabilities and an extra 2 (so 6) RAM slots and drop down to one PCI-e (because Thunderbolt is a PCI-e technology)
Core i5 bigger - extra PCI-e 16 and 2 RAM slots (8)
Core i7 - continues the picture.

So with 8 or so integrated products which Intel can brand on a quality basis for either home, enterprise or server grade they have the market covered. The demand for alternate controllers etc ... Is all absorbed in the universal bus. O a gig Ethernet connector is assumed across the board.
 
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