Intel planning 8th-gen Core processor release for 2017

[Kevin Lancaster]

Intel planning 8th-gen Core processor release for 2017

Intel’s full range of 7th-generation processors landed in South Africa in January, offering improved performance over its 6th-gen counterparts.

 

[Sl8er]

That's pretty quick, 2 generations just about within a year. Probably has something to do with AMD's Ryzen.

 

[Neoprod]

Intel said the new chips will give users a 15% performance increase over the 7th-gen CPUs, and will be built on the 14nm process.

Doing that on the same 14nm process and keeping the architecture the same means higher TDP parts? Nice for people who don't worry about power usage too much but if you had a Skylake \ Kaby Lake k-chip already, means you could "get" this new chip with some minor overclocking.

Higher clocked Kaby Lake to compete with Ryzen, probably.

 

[Rickster]

Wish Intel would just stop releasing more CPUs in such a short period and take the time to discover a break through.

 

[backstreetboy]

Wish Intel would just stop releasing more CPUs in such a short period and take the time to discover a break through.

Someone forcing you to buy them?

 

[Magnum]

Wish Intel would just stop releasing more CPUs in such a short period and take the time to discover a break through.

Flood the market. Its the next best thing. 2700 CPU's are still fast enough to do everything. I have a 925 phenom CPU and it runs everything. I only max it out when hosting a game server for friends and playing myself. Even then it is small lag spikes every couple of minutes.

We don't need the processing power really. We need cheaper forms of processing power that is adequate.

This excludes ludicrous gaming rigs with 2+ Sli or X-fire GPU's to squeeze a extra 10 FPS for bragging rites. I still have a 570 and it works just fine. It is factory overclocked to hell and back but its all I need.If anyone has a extra binned one for me to SLI I would be very grateful, Solitaire isn't that demanding after all.

 

[Johnatan56]

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Brief summary:
Intel laying off 10% of work force
Bad place to work, COO quit after being appointed in August
Engineers basically being treated like bottom rung workers, projects cancelled if no results can be had within a year
Money being wasted like mad - CEO probably going to get fired soon
Tick tock (process, architecture) no longer viable, they'll be moving over to process > architecture > optimization and probably a second optimization.
New AMD CPU might mess with their server marketshare wherein they have reached near 99% penetration. Profits expected to decrease here from 45-50% to 41%. Server market share is their cash cow.

They're basically stagnating.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

That's pretty quick, 2 generations just about within a year. Probably has something to do with AMD's Ryzen.

You know that architectures take YEARS to complete, right? For example, work on Sandy Bridge started just before the release of the original Core 2 Duo. Responding to a rival architecture takes many years, not a few weeks. Eighth gen has been slated for a 2017 release for over a year already (I first got wind of it in August 2015).

 

[Progenix Oj101]

Flood the market. Its the next best thing. 2700 CPU's are still fast enough to do everything. I have a 925 phenom CPU and it runs everything. I only max it out when hosting a game server for friends and playing myself. Even then it is small lag spikes every couple of minutes.

We don't need the processing power really. We need cheaper forms of processing power that is adequate.

This excludes ludicrous gaming rigs with 2+ Sli or X-fire GPU's to squeeze a extra 10 FPS for bragging rites. I still have a 570 and it works just fine. It is factory overclocked to hell and back but its all I need.If anyone has a extra binned one for me to SLI I would be very grateful, Solitaire isn't that demanding after all.

There's a lot more to CPUs than gaming performance. Almost no games are CPU bound which is why you don't see gains from one generation to the next. Move to something that is CPU bound, such as video encoding, and watch the 7700K beat your Phenom II by over 600%.

If I tell you that my 800 HP FWD car with 165/55 tires didn't get any 0-100 gains when I increased the power to 1100 HP you'd laugh at me and say that traction is my bottleneck. Why are you telling Intel to increase the car's power to 1600 HP when clearly the processor isn't the bottleneck?

 

[Johnatan56]

There's a lot more to CPUs than gaming performance. Almost no games are CPU bound which is why you don't see gains from one generation to the next. Move to something that is CPU bound, such as video encoding, and watch the 7700K beat your Phenom II by over 600%.

If I tell you that my 800 HP FWD car with 165/55 tires didn't get any 0-100 gains when I increased the power to 1100 HP you'd laugh at me and say that traction is my bottleneck. Why are you telling Intel to increase the car's power to 1600 HP when clearly the processor isn't the bottleneck?

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-7700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K/3647vs2384
12% considering a 32 month difference is not that much. Also 14nm vs 22nm but the 4790k has a lower max TDP (91W vs 88W).
Of course it's getting more difficult with the constant shrinking to have better yields, hopefully 7nm with EUV works out better.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

UserBenchmark is one of the worst comparison sites around, much like HWCompare, etc.

Look at some proper benchmarks rather.

XTU:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 1096
7700K 4.5 GHz: 1510
Increase: 37.8 %

Cinebench R15 Single Thread:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 177
7700K 4.5 GHz: 194
Increase: 9.6 %

Cinebench R15 Multi Thread:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 891
7700K 4.5 GHz: 988
Increase: 10.9 %

Handbrake 0.10.5 x264
4790K 4.5 GHz: 11.6 FPS
7700K 4.5 GHz: 14.0 FPS
Increase: 20.7 %

Handbrake 0.10.5 x265/HEVC
4790K 4.5 GHz: 5.5 FPS
7700K 4.5 GHz: 6.3 FPS
Increase: 14.5 %

Source

Also keep in mind that the 7700K has a higher clock speed (so the differences in performance will be slightly larger than shown above) as well as a better iGPU (both of these factors account for the higher TDP).

 

[Thor]

Getting a bit silly now. Probably still known worth the upgrade if you are in the 6th gen i7

 

[ponder]

UserBenchmark is one of the worst comparison sites around, much like HWCompare, etc.

Look at some proper benchmarks rather.

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Also keep in mind that the 7700K has a higher clock speed (so the differences in performance will be slightly larger than shown above) as well as a better iGPU (both of these factors account for the higher TDP).

Productivity application wise you will see decent increases, gaming not so much.

 

[Johnatan56]

UserBenchmark is one of the worst comparison sites around, much like HWCompare, etc.

Look at some proper benchmarks rather.

XTU:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 1096
7700K 4.5 GHz: 1510
Increase: 37.8 %

Cinebench R15 Single Thread:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 177
7700K 4.5 GHz: 194
Increase: 9.6 %

Cinebench R15 Multi Thread:
4790K 4.5 GHz: 891
7700K 4.5 GHz: 988
Increase: 10.9 %

Handbrake 0.10.5 x264
4790K 4.5 GHz: 11.6 FPS
7700K 4.5 GHz: 14.0 FPS
Increase: 20.7 %

Handbrake 0.10.5 x265/HEVC
4790K 4.5 GHz: 5.5 FPS
7700K 4.5 GHz: 6.3 FPS
Increase: 14.5 %

Source

Also keep in mind that the 7700K has a higher clock speed (so the differences in performance will be slightly larger than shown above) as well as a better iGPU (both of these factors account for the higher TDP).

No, the difference is irrelevant as they're overclocking the i7-4790k to 4.5Ghz in the comparison.
XTU is heavily memory dependent, just from a quick google search and it is quite an outlier. If you have more details on the test, I'd happily read it if you'd be kind enough to link.
Cinebench and handbrake don't show too much of a difference from the userbenchmarks one.
Overall 18.7% improvement with that XTU benchmark which I'd disregard, so 13.93% average.

I'm still wondering on the 7700k max air overclock, the 4790k can manage 4.7Ghz stably for near everyone with some going 4.8-4.9 if they're lucky.



Interesting to note that there is near no gain compared to the 6700k.

 

[Progenix Oj101]

No, the difference is irrelevant as they're overclocking the i7-4790k to 4.5Ghz in the comparison.

Exactly why I said

Also keep in mind that the 7700K has a higher clock speed (so the differences in performance will be slightly larger than shown above)

The 4970K at stock will do worse than shown in the comparison above.

I'm still wondering on the 7700k max air overclock, the 4790k can manage 4.7Ghz stably for near everyone with some going 4.8-4.9 if they're lucky.

5 GHz for a really poor chip, the best one I've played with did 5.24 GHz on a Corsair H80i completely stable (around 5.35 GHz bench stable). The worst once I've had did 5.something - I tested to 5.00 GHz as stable, 5.1 GHz failed some tests so I didn't bother continuing.

Interesting to note that there is near no gain compared to the 6700k.

Not at all - we've known for what, the better part of a year? that Kaby Lake would not bring an IPC increase. This was made clear, although dubious sites such as VideoCardz, etc will always fabricate results showing increases to generate hits.

 

[oober]

I'm still running an Intel Core i7 3770K OC@ 4.50GHz. Seems fine for most tasks. Should I really upgrade?

 

[Arthur]

It seems to me Intel sees the writing on the wall in the utility PC / client / workstation space. They still own x86, but ARM had eaten them alive in the mass (mobile) client. And around year-end Microsoft bring out WOA with Qualcomm, which moves client-side x86 off silicon and into the OS. If it works, and the demos are very impressive, the Surface Pro 4 is probably my last Intel-based client.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[backstreetboy]

It seems to me Intel sees the writing on the wall in the utility PC / client / workstation space. They still own x86, but ARM had eaten them alive in the mass (mobile) client. And around year-end Microsoft bring out WOA with Qualcomm, which moves client-side x86 off silicon and into the OS. If it works, and the demos are very impressive, the Surface Pro 4 is probably my last Intel-based client.

Interesting times ahead.

This. I'm just waiting it out.

 

[Sl8er]

You know that architectures take YEARS to complete, right? For example, work on Sandy Bridge started just before the release of the original Core 2 Duo. Responding to a rival architecture takes many years, not a few weeks. Eighth gen has been slated for a 2017 release for over a year already (I first got wind of it in August 2015).

Nope, I did not know that. Thanks.

So it was always their plan to release the two generations in such a short time span?
I wonder why that is...and also why now, just when it seems that Ryzen is about to shake things up.
(Or did they decide to speed things up, maybe because of Ryzen?)

 

[Genisys]

It seems to me Intel sees the writing on the wall in the utility PC / client / workstation space. They still own x86, but ARM had eaten them alive in the mass (mobile) client. And around year-end Microsoft bring out WOA with Qualcomm, which moves client-side x86 off silicon and into the OS. If it works, and the demos are very impressive, the Surface Pro 4 is probably my last Intel-based client.

Interesting times ahead.

You do get that there is no writing on the wall, right? You will never replace a proper quad core CPU with some ARM CPU running stuff on the OS. Games won't like that idea at all.