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With more and more of us working from home and video calling/Zoom/Teams presentations, backups to the cloud etc increasing in frequency and data size, international upload speed is becoming more important than ever.

I am on a FTTH service at home. I am battling like crazy to get decent international upload speeds. Downloads and uploads on local server run at my max service speed, so it cant be the line(well that's my reasoning). International downloads run for the most part at close to max service speed, a little bit of variation here and there, but acceptable.

International upload speeds just seem broken. sometimes less than than 1Mbs, sometime just a few Mbs. Its just unworkable.

Is this an ISP problem. Would changing ISP help solve the problem? A neighbor on the same FNO and on a different ISP but the same line service speeds reports even worse or similar speeds on the upload side.

How does one make an informed decision on which ISPs spend enough cash to purchase a decent service for their clients. You only find out after you have committed time and energy to the exercise. Its not like ADSL days when you could try out a test account. The local speed tests make a complete mockery of the "best ISP" landscape. That's too low a barrier and almost false advertising from my point of view.

Try the following tests on speedtest.net - change the server location to New York- Sprint.

Next try Dublin - BT Telecom.

I chose those two as they are representative of real locations a working person would like to connect and work with, but there are many others on the list that may work for you. Would love you to post your results here.
 
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Local speed test - nothing wrong with it at all .

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Wynsam said:
With more and more of us working from home and video calling/Zoom/Teams presentations, backups to the cloud etc increasing in frequency and data size, international upload speed is becoming more important than ever.

I am on a FTTH service at home. I am battling like crazy to get decent international upload speeds. Downloads and uploads on local server run at my max service speed, so it cant be the line(well that's my reasoning). International downloads run for the most part at close to max service speed, a little bit of variation here and there, but acceptable.

International upload speeds just seem broken. sometimes less than than 1Mbs, sometime just a few Mbs. Its just unworkable.

Is this an ISP problem. Would changing ISP help solve the problem? A neighbor on the same FNO and on a different ISP but the same line service speeds reports even worse or similar speeds on the upload side.

How does one make an informed decision on which ISPs spend enough cash to purchase a decent service for their clients. You only find out after you have committed time and energy to the exercise. Its not like ADSL days when you could try out a test account. The local speed tests make a complete mockery of the "best ISP" landscape. That's too low a barrier and almost false advertising from my point of view.

Try the following tests on speedtest.net - change the server location to New York- Sprint.

Next try Dublin - BT Telecom.

I chose those two as they are representative of real locations a working person would like to connect and work with, but there are many others on the list that may work for you. Would love you to post your results here.
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There's either packet loss on your line or your ISP is having problems. Same servers on a 200/100 line:

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Also I would advise against showing your IP on a public forum.
 
DYreX146 said:
There's either packet loss on your line or your ISP is having problems. Same servers on a 200/100 line:

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Also I would advise against showing your IP on a public forum.
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Thanks on the heads -up. Fixed it.

Thanks for doing the tests as well. Appreciated. Cool ideas was one of the options that i considered, their website street address plugin was broken though, maybe they care more for the bandwidth than the website though!
 
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nperf test (avg)

local dl 50 Mb/s ul 22 Mb/s 5ms
UK dl 44 Mb/s ul 19 Mb/s 174 ms
US (est) dl 45 Mb/s 19 Mb/s 233 ms


last weeks webex and zoom test required 3 Mb/s to UK servers
 
silver6933 said:
telkom

nperf test (avg)

local dl 50 Mb/s ul 22 Mb/s 5ms
UK dl 44 Mb/s ul 19 Mb/s 174 ms
US (est) dl 45 Mb/s 19 Mb/s 233 ms


last weeks webex and zoom test required 3 Mb/s to UK servers
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Will 3Mb/s support a 1080P screen share via Zoom or Teams. One assumes that most screens are 1080P, quite a few 4K, some even higher. If one is doing a presentation and the resulting image is 360p or even lower its not a good impression.
 
Wynsam said:
Thanks on the heads -up. Fixed it.

Thanks for doing the tests as well. Appreciated. Cool ideas was one of the options that i considered, their website street address plugin was broken though, maybe they care more for the bandwidth than the website though!
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The mapping is based on maps provided by the fibre providers, is the fibre provider MFN?
 
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/cries in free WiFi. :p
Can't wait till Monday when my 250/50 gets installed, half the price my 100/100 / 200/200 with promotion was.

Your speeds look like packet loss or slow window scaling, to fix that, run in cmd: `netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=normal` it sets the tcp window scaling to normal.
 
Johnatan56 said:
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/cries in free WiFi. :p
Can't wait till Monday when my 250/50 gets installed, half the price my 100/100 / 200/200 with promotion was.

Your speeds look like packet loss or slow window scaling, to fix that, run in cmd: `netsh int tcp set global autotuninglevel=normal` it sets the tcp window scaling to normal.
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I tried the the command line tcp instruction, has made little to no difference.

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Wynsam said:
I tried the the command line tcp instruction, has made little to no difference.

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Yeah, would guess packet loss then, MF is not a great network though, their pricing is insane, their support and network sucks, and they can't even spell network correctly, so probably MF and not the ISP.
 
Johnatan56 said:
Yeah, would guess packet loss then, MF is not a great network though, their pricing is insane, their support and network sucks, and they can't even spell network correctly, so probably MF and not the ISP.
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Help me understand why packet loss would affect the international speed but not the local?

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Help me understand why packet loss would affect the international speed but not the local?

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Every time a packet is lost the window scaling is reset, it will only increase once it's received an acknowledgement that the packet has arrived. Due to the longer delay in receiving acknowledgement, it will never manage to scale up.
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So I ran a Iperf test to the cool ideas server as per another thread I found on packet loss.

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above was on the iperf3 -c lnms.cisp.co.za -b 10M -u -t 60 -R command.

2.2% packet loss.

Second test showed this.
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Most of the packet were lost?? Is my conclusion right?

This test showed this result.

iperf3 -c lnms.cisp.co.za -b 10M -u -t 60

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6.8% percent packet loss.

Is this normal? How not normal is it if its not normal? Should this line have been signed off?
 
run iperf against this

eu
paris.testdebit.info 9200 TCP/UDP

usa
iperf.scottlinux.com 5201 tcp/udp


I get less than 3% loss on Metro fiber N
 
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