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I recently found out that there is more than one root server on the internet. It would be possible to get domains like http://www.mybroadband , just like that no com added no co.za no nothing. Here is a quote from one of my emails :

As you probably know, the most popular Top Level Domains (TLDs) are those registered
through the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers ICANN (
http://icann.org ). TLDs like .com, .net, .edu, .mil, .gov, .int, .biz, etc. However, today, the
next generation Internet knows many more TLDs than just the ICANN TLDs. Web sites
under these TLDs are accessible to those Internet users who have an ISP that already
provides access to the next generation Internet.

You are currently resolving from the ICANN root. ISPs who resolve from the ICANN Root
provide only access to a fraction of the Internet. One of your customers complained because
you are still resolving from the ICANN Root and therefor you provide limited access to the
Internet. You are currently preventing your customers to see very much of the the next
generation Internet.

The Public-Root ( http://public-root.com ) offers resolution to exactly the same TLDs as the
ICANN root. In addition, the Public-Root offers resolution to the next generation TLDs like
.city .news .world too. These TLDs are approved by the Internet Names Authorization &
Information Center (INAIC) ( http://iniac.com ). The INAIC is an international, not-for-
profit, consultancy body, organized and dedicated to the maintenance of public information
resources that facilitate the coordination and resolution of global Top-Level Domain names
through the Public-Root.

So ISPs who resolve from the Public-Root not only providing access to the ICANN TLDs,
but also to the next generation Internet TLDs. Every Internet Service Provider (ISP) is able
to upgrade its Name-Servers and to enable its customers to access all TLDs available on the
net.

Here you will find the technical info about how to upgrade your DNS Servers:
http://tld.name/technical-isp-info.php
As you can see, it is very simple to upgrade your DNS.

More and more providers are upgrading their DNS Servers to enable their users to see the
whole Internet. If you do not want to provide limited access to the Internet, please resolve
the Public-Root. Public-Root services are available, free of charge, to all ISPs anywhere in
the world.

As soon as you have upgraded your Name-Servers, you and everyone else that is depending
on your for Internet access, is able to see the whole Internet.
 
FUD. And I don't feel like doing the research right now to refute it.

//there is a difference between a root server and a TLD. The last time I looked their were 13 root servers on the internet (spread around the world.)

The only 'legal' top level domains are those determined by ICANN.

'Public root' is an attempt to subvert the authority of ICANN (another neocon ploy to subvert their greatest enemy: the internet.)

FUD
 
Im sure they may become more pervasive in future but generaly speaking most of the new TLDs and to be honest the .biz, .info ands other TLDs are just spam generators or dodgy operators. I admit Im old school and a little biased.
 
kilo39 said:
FUD. And I don't feel like doing the research right now to refute it.

//there is a difference between a root server and a TLD. The last time I looked their were 13 root servers on the internet (spread around the world.)

The only 'legal' top level domains are those determined by ICANN.

'Public root' is an attempt to subvert the authority of ICANN (another neocon ploy to subvert their greatest enemy: the internet.)

FUD
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But then, take a look at who is controlling the ICANN root? ICANN has 13 root servers and so does 'public root', all across the world.

Go take a look at some of our vodacom DNS servers and what root they are using... Do an nslookup on home.tiscali using 196.207.32.69 or 196.207.40.165 and then if you want take a look at http://www.tiscali.com/our_news/press/10552825f1a.html

My real question is, when will the rest of South-Africa update their servers to use 'public-root' like some of the other countries?
 
The thing is that anyone can start these things (this one seems to be a make money fast scheme but without organization and acceptance there is no obligation to keep it going. What happens if 2 years down the line they are not making money or its not working they way its meant to then it can just be dropped. To be honest I dont have a problem typing in name.com or net or org etc. Give me an example of 2 worthwhile sites or more that are accessable this way and not via the standard name.extension. Its trying to generate a new name feeding frenzy.
 
marjo said:
But then, take a look at who is controlling the ICANN root? ICANN has 13 root servers and so does 'public root', all across the world.

Go take a look at some of our vodacom DNS servers and what root they are using... Do an nslookup on home.tiscali using 196.207.32.69 or 196.207.40.165 and then if you want take a look at http://www.tiscali.com/our_news/press/10552825f1a.html

My real question is, when will the rest of South-Africa update their servers to use 'public-root' like some of the other countries?
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Interesting discussion overall (and vast.)

ICANN itself has a long contentious history (but at least it is publically accountable, and based to some degree on 'the community.') Can the same be said for the 'public root?' AFAIK .info, .biz are ICANN TLD's (there were a few new ones.) I can't speak for public root 'cause I don't know (and as said this is long history.)

But yes, was an argument a while ago (with the creation of ICANN about its control by the american government?)

Vint Cerf is part of ICANN. He has yet to be proven a spook so I tend to side with him.

Group Urges Splinter Internet for Turkey
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 04:22 PM
From: AP Wire
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050707/D8B676QO0.html

A Turkish group seeking to improve communications technology is pushing the use of a splinter Internet network that might avoid control by the United States.

The Turkish Informatics Association's recommendation comes as the U.S. Commerce Department has announced it would indefinitely retain oversight of the Internet's main traffic-directing computers, known as root servers. A federation of independent root operators, The Public-Root, is trying to become an alternative network with 13 root servers in 10 countries, including Turkey.

The civil war of the internet begins.
U.S. to Retain Oversight of Web Traffic
Posted on Saturday, July 02, 2005 - 11:54 AM


ICANN Meetings in Marrakech, Morocco
Workshop on Internet Governance
27 June 2006

>>VINT CERF: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, my name is Vint Cerf.
I'm chairman of the board of ICANN.
It's my pleasure to welcome you to the Internet governance workshop this morning.
This is earlier than we usually start.
I suspect there are a few people out there who weren't prepared to start this early in the day.
We're going to have a fairly simple agenda.
As soon as I've completed these brief opening remarks, we'll have a report from the members of the President's Strategy Committee, discussion of issues identified by this committee.
And then a report of developments since Tunis, including the Internet Governance Forum that Markus Kummer will offer to you.
And after that, presuming there's some time, there'll be some discussion.
I want to start out, though, by offering a few observations about IGF and how we may be able to turn this into a constructive activity.
This isn't to suggest that it's implicitly destructive, but, rather, that it could be -- it could be a forum in which not very much gets done or it could be a forum in which some very useful outcomes could be anticipated.
 
US Government ... I can say nothing more, they are control freaks!!

The Internet can and will never be controlled by anyone, so why try.

Current new domains I saw with the public-root:
.123
.24h
.2u
.4free
.aaa
.abc
.admin
.bizz
.bmw
.meal
.newsnet

Just think of the possibilities, this is only a fraction of the list I have with me.
 
Linux is free open and community controlled, yet at the end of the day only one person has the say as to what goes into the core and what does not, and when new code is released and when it is not, Linus Torvald.

It's good for anything to have some sort of control, to manage it and prevent it from becoming a useless technology bloated and overloaded by incompatiblity and infighting.

The Internet should, just like Linux and every other worthwhile public technology be controlled by someone. allowing open root servers like these is opening a can of worms we might not be able to close again.
 
marjo said:
The Internet can and will never be controlled by anyone, so why try.
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They don't try, and until they do I see no reason why not to keep using them.
marjo said:
Current new domains I saw with the public-root:
.123
.24h
.2u
.4free
.aaa
.abc
.admin
.bizz
.bmw
.meal
.newsnet
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.bmw? rofl.

Look, we're all for freedom on the internet, but unless you show me a website or service that I can't live without but can't resolve without using one of these nameservers, I'm simply not going to.

Long lists of TLDs aren't going to convince us. We'll go where the content is.
 
marjo said:
Just think of the possibilities, this is only a fraction of the list I have with me.
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Exactly. That is the problem.

Infinite possibilities leave everyone exactly nowhere.

US Government control has been contentious, talk of giving it to the UN, but the europeans are still involved with ICANN through 'their process.'

I remember ICANN caused a big stink when it was setup; but you really need to keep up with these matters to have any clue. Supporting 'some' alternate root (originating in Turkey) doesn't sound like an ideal solution.
 
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