Internet World Stats

South Africa.

4,780,000 Internet Users? :confused:

9.9 % Penetration (% Population)? :confused:

3,630 GNI (USD) per capita

25,303,270 IP Counts by Country

Are the above figure right?
4,78 million internet users in South Africa? :confused:

I clicked on the South African link and it brought me to the next page below.


http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/safrica.htm

Says our Estimated Population in 2050 will be 32,538,704

Current Population is "48,051,581"
 
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Nick333 said:
Aids = negative growth rate
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estimates for this country explicitly take into account the effects of excess mortality due to AIDS; this can result in lower life expectancy, higher infant mortality and death rates, lower population and growth rates, and changes in the distribution of population by age and sex than would otherwise be expected
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http://go.hrw.com/atlas/norm_htm/safrica.htm
 
The problem with these stats is that they are using dial up internet access as the bench mark. What this does not show is the unforgivable gap between dial up and broadband in this country. 4 million VS 150k !!

The rest of the world has a much smaller disparity between dial up users and broadband users.

Yet we still lie at the bottom. If Telkom were forced to drop their line rental, then I think the uptake of broadband from these 4 million users would be dramatic. I am not sure the hardware suppliers of routers and Adsl modems will be able to keep up with the demand.

The other concerning point is would Telkom be able to handle the extra bandwidth demand. Even though they are only using a fraction of their int. Pipe at present, how would they cope if this were to jump 50%?

Let us hope and pray that the SNO has a few surprises.
 
Can someone please comment on these figures. I am sure they are wrong?

Surely the 4.78 Internet Users quoted for South Africa must represent the amount of telephones in South Africa and potential dial up customers and not the total amount of people who have actual internet access via an ISP?:confused:

Ta. :)
 
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                 [B]2001   2002   2003   2004   2005[/B]
Postpaid  PSTN   3,817  3,435  3,197  3,048  3,006
ISDN channels    335    424    516    601    664
Prepaid          480    708    817    856    887    
Payphones        178    195    179    175    169 
Fixed-line penetration rate (%) (at period end)
                 11.0   11.7   10.4   10.1   10.1
Fixed-line penetration (at period end) (thousands)
                 4,810  4,762  4,709  4,680   4,726
"Excluding Telkom internal lines of 108,521, 140,950, 134,972, 162,460 and 151,986 as of March 31, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002 and 2001, respectively."
 
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hey, were still doing alot better then afganistan and iraq :D
 
MaD said:
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                 [B]2001   2002   2003   2004   2005[/B]
Postpaid  PSTN   3,817  3,435  3,197  3,048  3,006
ISDN channels    335    424    516    601    664
Prepaid          480    708    817    856    887    
Payphones        178    195    179    175    169 
Fixed-line penetration rate (%) (at period end)
                 11.0   11.7   10.4   10.1   10.1
Fixed-line penetration (at period end) (thousands)
                 4,810  4,762  4,709  4,680   4,726
"Excluding Telkom internal lines of 108,521, 140,950, 134,972, 162,460 and 151,986 as of March 31, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002 and 2001, respectively."
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So I was right in saying that the 4.78 Million does not represent the amount of people actually connected to the internet, but merely indicates the fixed-line penetration in South Africa which I notice over the period quoted above has actually depreciated by almost 100 000 lines.
Of that I reckon perhaps not more than one million people actually have the internet?
But here again perhaps Mad could help out again.
Thanks Mad. :)
 
JStrike said:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/af/za.htm

"According to ITU, 3.1-million South Africans had access to the Internet at the end of 2002."

and the figures in this link
http://www.clickz.com/stats/sectors/geographics/article.php/151151

are taken from the CIA World FactBook

So the 4.8m figure is correct
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There is no way that 4.8m users are connected to the net. The only way to find out what the amount is, is to interrogate from Telkom the total amount of accounts re-sold to ISP's each month, and asking other ISP's that don't resell SAIX services, as well as WISP's, what their totals are and adding them all up.

Just because there are 4.8m 'fixed lines' does NOT mean there are 4.8m internet users. A fixed line could be anything from a diginet line to a phone line


As you can see almost 900,000 people have prepaid - these are *generally* people who are not wealthy, hence do not connect to the net. Furthermore, just because it says the line is there doesn't mean it is active. Hundreds of thousands of lines were disconnected, which would eat into the 4.8m total tremendously.

I would estimate it's around 3 million.

There is a big difference between '4.8 million people connected to the Net' and '4.8 million people have ACCESS to the Net', and saying 'fixed line' isn't saying 'fixed line in use'.
 
MaD said:
There is no way that 4.8m users are connected to the net. The only way to find out what the amount is, is to interrogate from Telkom the total amount of accounts re-sold to ISP's each month, and asking other ISP's that don't resell SAIX services, as well as WISP's, what their totals are and adding them all up.

Just because there are 4.8m 'fixed lines' does NOT mean there are 4.8m internet users. A fixed line could be anything from a diginet line to a phone line


As you can see almost 900,000 people have prepaid - these are *generally* people who are not wealthy, hence do not connect to the net. Furthermore, just because it says the line is there doesn't mean it is active. Hundreds of thousands of lines were disconnected, which would eat into the 4.8m total tremendously.

I would estimate it's around 3 million.

There is a big difference between '4.8 million people connected to the Net' and '4.8 million people have ACCESS to the Net', and saying 'fixed line' isn't saying 'fixed line in use'.
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Agreed. Add to this the number of lines in use at companies for fax machines (generally standard, non switchboard lines), and we can see that the number of households with phone lines is shockingly low.

In words that Rikus M can understand, we could say that cell phone penetration (a first world technology :rolleyes: ), is greater than a 3rd world POTS system - sickening.
 
The 4.8 million represents the current estimated internet users, not phone lines. Phone lines will be higher. The amount of phone lines in 2002 were intrestingly enough 4.8m with 3.1m internet users
 
JStrike said:
The 4.8 million represents the current estimated internet users, not phone lines. Phone lines will be higher. The amount of phone lines in 2002 were interestingly enough 4.8m with 3.1m internet users
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The figure of 4.8 million is from Telkom's 2005 Annual Report and is the Fixed access lines (thousands) (at period end) - which, in fact, has decreased to 4.7 million.

So no, the amount of internet users (defined as someone who has an internet connection) is less than 4.8 million.
 
Surely Telkom must have lost a bit of ADSL users with new Nov prices? In turn gaining more ISDN/Dialup?
 
MaD : Interesting. 4.8m is also what the CIA estimate as the amount of people with internet access (Not the number of phone lines) So there is obviousely some statistical error here, but the amount of people with access to the internet and the amount of people phone lines is almost exactly the same
 
They probably take all the internet capable cellphones as “extra” internet users.
 
Including *all* internet enabled cellphones will result in a much, much higher number
 
Estimated Internet Users in South Africa.

Mad reckons that about 3 Million people have the internet in South Africa.
I reckon it is a lot less.
There used to be about 600 000 ISDN customers according to Telkom.
Most of those will either migrate to ADSL or stay with ISDN for the short term.
Dial Up is the unknown factor here.
We know that there is at present 100 000 ADSL customers according to Telkom.
So taking Telkom's own network and Diginet which I do not have figures for, I still reckon that Internet Users in South Africa is not very many at all.
One really needs to see what percentage of the 4.78 Million people have Internet.
I think it is less than 50% of the 4.78 Million?
 
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