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Globetrotter
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Phenominal hype existed before the launch of the iPad but in reality it turned out to be quite a let-down. Most reviews were negative. Apple make some good products but I was not exactly overwhelmed with the iPad launch.
* NO multitasking! You cannot open more than one app at the same time on this device
* Only runs iPhone and iPod touch apps
* The storage capacity is average
* No USB ports, so no external hard drives, no external DVD
* No support for Flash, so no videos on most websites
* RAM memory is not upgradable
* No camera
* No HDMI port
It's like a bigger version of the iPod Touch and not much more. For the price, you're better off just getting an iPhone. You can read e-books with it but you can get a Kindle for a third of the price that does the same.
It looks slick though and will look good on a coffee table.
I'm sure a lot of the missing features will be incorporated in next generation iPads but I think only die-hard Apple fans will line up for the first generation.
Here is Hitler's view on the iPad:
[video=youtube;lQnT0zp8Ya4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4[/video]
* NO multitasking! You cannot open more than one app at the same time on this device
* Only runs iPhone and iPod touch apps
* The storage capacity is average
* No USB ports, so no external hard drives, no external DVD
* No support for Flash, so no videos on most websites
* RAM memory is not upgradable
* No camera
* No HDMI port
It's like a bigger version of the iPod Touch and not much more. For the price, you're better off just getting an iPhone. You can read e-books with it but you can get a Kindle for a third of the price that does the same.
It looks slick though and will look good on a coffee table.
I'm sure a lot of the missing features will be incorporated in next generation iPads but I think only die-hard Apple fans will line up for the first generation.
Here is Hitler's view on the iPad:
[video=youtube;lQnT0zp8Ya4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQnT0zp8Ya4[/video]
This is the iPad's only flaw. The rest is either outdated or fixable via a FM update.
A rear facing camera would be handy for video conferencing. I expect there will be one in Rev 2.
I like our local weather, it's nice and hot here, overseas weather is usually cold or TOO hot.
assagai
Expert Member
The "it's just a big ipod touch" argument doesn't work on me. I think a big ipod touch is an excellent idea!
I have a NEC VersaPro UltraLite VS and I will not be getting an iPad - that is an iPad they're selling now.
It is 750g in weight - which is almost the same as an iPad, it is the same thickness as the iPad, but it has a higher res screen, a 1.86GHz CPU, it's capable of decoding 1080p H264 video and I can run every app out there (Windows XP). I can sit on my NEC VersaPro because it supports 150kg in weight and I can drop it from my desk - and it won't break. It has a 64GB Toshiba SSD which is the best performing 64GB SSD out - I don't even know if Apple will use an SSD or just flash - there is a difference. There are other issues, but I didn't have my Japanese NEC netbook I may have been tempted to buy an iPad, but as is, I won't. I don't own an iPhone either. I do own a Mac Pro and I love OSX. Yeah it boots up in under 15 seconds.
It is 750g in weight - which is almost the same as an iPad, it is the same thickness as the iPad, but it has a higher res screen, a 1.86GHz CPU, it's capable of decoding 1080p H264 video and I can run every app out there (Windows XP). I can sit on my NEC VersaPro because it supports 150kg in weight and I can drop it from my desk - and it won't break. It has a 64GB Toshiba SSD which is the best performing 64GB SSD out - I don't even know if Apple will use an SSD or just flash - there is a difference. There are other issues, but I didn't have my Japanese NEC netbook I may have been tempted to buy an iPad, but as is, I won't. I don't own an iPhone either. I do own a Mac Pro and I love OSX. Yeah it boots up in under 15 seconds.
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Ou grote
Honorary Master
Peter, I think you've missed the point of the iPad?
Isnt the NEC VersaPro UltraLite VS actually a laptop? And with a thickness ranging from 15.8mm to 29.9mm actually thicker than the MacBook Air (let alone the iPad)?
Is there a law which states I can't be in them or do you only want to read posts which agree with your own views?
It's actually a netbook (Atom processor although 1.86GHz not 1.6, screen size etc) and the thickness also includes the lid. It's actually thinner than the Air and definately more resilient than it or the iPad. The 29.9mm you quote, is at the hinge, the keyboard and base is much thinner than the 15.8 you cite and as said it is certified for 78cm drops and 150kg of weight on top of it (closed lid) which is something no Apple product can match at that weight or build quality.
Macbook Air:
MacBook Air - dimensions. Height: 0.16-0.76 inch (0.4-1.94 cm). Width: 12.8 inches (32.5 cm). Depth: 8.94 inches (22.7 cm). Weight: 3.0 pounds (1.36 kg) ...
vs NEC UltraLite VersaPro at 1.58 - 29.9 (hinge) and under 750g (0.75 kg).
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The point is what Steve Jobs'o makes it out to be -- as the Reg said - it's a portable Telly?
cerebus
Honorary Master
Doesn't that have an msrp of r15k? Enjoy....
No the ipad isn't a portable telly. It's a lightweight notebook replacement - belongs in the same category as a netbook and for most people will be more useful than the majority of netbooks. Let's wait and see shall we.
No the ipad isn't a portable telly. It's a lightweight notebook replacement - belongs in the same category as a netbook and for most people will be more useful than the majority of netbooks. Let's wait and see shall we.
No. That's the price Engaget has. The MSRP is much lower, in fact it cost me the same as what a 64GB iPad would cost me. They still sell at the introductory price - in fact they even sell for less at NEC outlet stores in Japan. I'm not necessarily saying that everyone would have access to something like that, but if NEC (granted one of the best innovators out there) can do it, so could Apple Corp. Of course you won't find the iPad at $829 x 7.5 in your retail store (Core). You won't even find that on Ebay at that price $829 + $100 for shipping. On Ebay they'll sell for $900+ + $100 shipping and customs duties.
How can it be more useful? Wait and see for what? How useful a TOY is? (a good toy is fun but not necessarily useful and unless you contend that netbooks and small ultra mobile PCs are toys you can't say so)
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cerebus
Honorary Master
It's more useful than a netbook because it is also a portable telly lol. Well that and a powerful ebook/magazine reader.
The problem you have with the iPad is that because you don't need it, you think that anyone else who would is an idiot - or a mindless Wal-Mart Stevedrone (I think you actually used words to this effect somewhere). You can't see its utility for the people who actually bought netbooks primarily because they wanted to surf the internet on the go - or listen to streaming music, or watch a movie, or create a few quick documents - and if they can read full length books on it so much the better. And they want to do it by just pressing the screen, controlling it with basic icons - not fiddling with menus and xp quirks on a tiny screen. They are not Lifehacker fundis, their specialties and interests lie elsewhere. Netbooks have become tailored for people like you - full of lists of tech specs to compare one device against another - just as intimidating and arcane as PCs. The iPad has the potential to be tremendously useful for that type of person.
The problem you have with the iPad is that because you don't need it, you think that anyone else who would is an idiot - or a mindless Wal-Mart Stevedrone (I think you actually used words to this effect somewhere). You can't see its utility for the people who actually bought netbooks primarily because they wanted to surf the internet on the go - or listen to streaming music, or watch a movie, or create a few quick documents - and if they can read full length books on it so much the better. And they want to do it by just pressing the screen, controlling it with basic icons - not fiddling with menus and xp quirks on a tiny screen. They are not Lifehacker fundis, their specialties and interests lie elsewhere. Netbooks have become tailored for people like you - full of lists of tech specs to compare one device against another - just as intimidating and arcane as PCs. The iPad has the potential to be tremendously useful for that type of person.
Sensorei
Executive Member
iPad is a waste of money. I have seen some 9 inch Windows 7 tablets with GPS running on intel atoms for just over R2000 in Hong Kong. You can mount them in your car as a portable touchscreen PC with internet and GPS. Or plug in a wireless usb mouse+keyboard and an external monitor and you have a PC. With the R8000 I've saved I'll buy another full hd LCD. Don't buy into the hype.
I think that what the El suggested was that it was the PORTABLE TELLY of the 80s/90s. What Jobso is suggesting is that this is a new revolution, but we've had that in portable tellys and walkmen.
Nope. I quoted some guy who called the MS CEO an 'executron'.
Yeah but the current iteration of the iPad is very limited in this regard. Can you listen to the music and write a document? Can you have more than a few tabs open? Can you run an IM session and view a website while listening to music or watching a video clip? Currently the Netbooks can do that and they're getting faster. You can view 1080p video with HDMI out on GMA 500 and Ion powered netbooks. You can run a full version of MS Office (yeah it sucks) but also Open Office. You can run PhotoShop or PaintShop Pro or Adobe Light Room. You can do anything you can do on a PC. And here Jobso had a chance to give us an OSX netbook tablet which ran OSX and let us run our OSX apps. You can of course read full books on your netbook- it all depends on the reader program.
Some people are so bad at tech, they will find the iPhone bad as well. Those who can handle the iPhone can handle OSX (and XP). XP and 7 suck because of issues but they're better than a special front end designed to sell Apple content. The iPad should be free with an iTunes subscription.
That suggests that all these businessmen the VersaPro was designed for (it's a business netbook) are all lifehacker fundis.
Not at all. You do know that they caught on first in Taiwan when ASUS sold them with Linux and Taiwanese housewives snapped them up. They were easy to use then. OSX as pictured in the Hodgeson vs Long Apple Ads is also shown as being a basic OS for people who want simplicity.
No it doesn't. It will mould people who could use an OSX based system with multitasking into drones who then become Apple content buyers. This is Apple converting you into its way of doing things. While I like OSX and Apple's PCs (notebooks and desktops) I don't like a dumbed down product which says it's better than a small, cheap portable computer. Already Apple is converting people by telling them to dump Flash, then it will convert them further by telling them to dump their current browser, IM application, video viewer, ebook reader software, word processor, etc and use Apple's version - but a version which is tailor made to favour content which Apple gets a cut for. It's as if Final Cut Pro on Apple Macs worked preferentially with video files and plugins Apple sold.
Let me rephrase my opinion cerebus. I don't mind the iPad in its present form. I do however not see it as a replacement for ultramobile notebooks and netbooks. Jobs said this is better than a netbook but I feel only in certain narrow regards. It is better if you want an utterly simple appliance experience and can easily gain access to Apple content and only want to do that. However, if you want anything more you will suffer with the iPad. For example, if you want to load your own content or used other content providers, you may have to go through more trouble than someone who is using a netbook. Now if Apple made an appliance which could handle all types of content, including from Apples' competitors and peoples' own content, it would be a much nicer appliance. I would still not think it a netbook replacement.
Ou grote
Honorary Master
Well if there's a world record for whingeing about something you've never seen or used before and won't be buying, you'll be the holder of it.
You must have 1000 ipad posts already.