iPod City

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Apple's iPods are made by mainly female workers who earn as little as £27 per month, according to a report in the Mail on Sunday yesterday.

The report, 'iPod City', isn't available online. It offers photographs taken from inside the factories that make Apple music players, situated in China and owned by Foxconn.

The Mail visited some of these factories and spoke with staff there. It reports that Foxconn's Longhua plant houses 200,000 workers, remarking: "This iPod City has a population bigger than Newcastle's."

The report claims Longhua's workers live in dormitories that house 100 people, and that visitors from the outside world are not permitted. Workers toil for 15-hours a day to make the iconic music player, the report claims. They earn £27 per month. The report reveals that the iPod nano is made in a five-storey factory (E3) that is secured by police officers.

Another factory in Suzhou, Shanghai, makes iPod shuffles. The workers are housed outside the plant, and earn £54 per month - but they must pay for their accommodation and food, "which takes up half their salaries", the report observes.

A security guard told the Mail reporters that the iPod shuffle production lines are staffed by women workers because "they are more honest than male workers".

The report also explains that the nano contains 400 parts, and that its flash memory is the most expensive component. The report looks at several salient components of the nano, and describes the product as a reflecting the global way business works today. This is because the iPod nano contains parts developed by technology companies from across the planet.

Apple is just one of thousands of companies that now use Chinese facilities to manufacture its products, the report observes. Low wages, long hours and China's industrial secrecy make the country attractive to business, particularly as increased competition and consumer expectations force companies to deliver products at attractive prices


http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=14915
 
The last paragraph somes it up really....

Business is about doing it the cheapest, if a country provides a platform which allows business to provide cheaper products and or increase their profit margins they are going to take advantage of it.
 
Now there's a country where the people value employment! No inflated minimum wages, no spurious strikes, no toyi-toyiing all week long! There are lessons to be learned if we ever want to seriously reduce our unemployment rates.
 
JBFRobisher said:
Now there's a country where the people value employment! No inflated minimum wages, no spurious strikes, no toyi-toyiing all week long! There are lessons to be learned if we ever want to seriously reduce our unemployment rates.

You're correct but you wont be the one making R300pm and working 15 hour shifts, however you probably will benefit from it.
 
biltonguy said:
You're correct but you wont be the one making R300pm and working 15 hour shifts, however you probably will benefit from it.

Well that's capitalism for you!
 
The difference is that China is growing at over 10% per annum, and will soon enjoy much higher living standards than South Africa. While they are suffering now, they will gain in the long term.
 
JBFRobisher said:
Now there's a country where the people value employment! No inflated minimum wages, no spurious strikes, no toyi-toyiing all week long! There are lessons to be learned if we ever want to seriously reduce our unemployment rates.

Clearly you, my friend, are unlikely to ever work in appalling conditions for low pay. This probably accounts for your very limited "workers must work and STFU" attitude towards labour rights, in the country where you probably grew up enjoying the comforts of modernity while the majority were legally kept from doing the same...no matter how hard they worked.

While I agree that unemployment is a serious issue in this country, it should be addressed with the rights of workers in mind. The reason why people are exploited en masse in countries like China and India is because their governments somehow allow it...and the western corporations eat it up.

Look, if you wanna live in a society where a worker's right to protest unfair working conditions could literally lead to their life being threatened, then, you know, go ahead and do so. This is a young democracy...it owes its people the chance to try and avoid being exploited without the power to at least say something.

I have a book recommendation for you: NO LOGO

Use it. Dont use it. Up to you...at least try to know more about something before you speak.
 
pdg said:
Clearly you, my friend, are unlikely to ever work in appalling conditions for low pay. This probably accounts for your very limited "workers must work and STFU" attitude towards labour rights, in the country where you probably grew up enjoying the comforts of modernity while the majority were legally kept from doing the same...no matter how hard they worked.

While I agree that unemployment is a serious issue in this country, it should be addressed with the rights of workers in mind. The reason why people are exploited en masse in countries like China and India is because their governments somehow allow it...and the western corporations eat it up.

Look, if you wanna live in a society where a worker's right to protest unfair working conditions could literally lead to their life being threatened, then, you know, go ahead and do so. This is a young democracy...it owes its people the chance to try and avoid being exploited without the power to at least say something.

I have a book recommendation for you: NO LOGO

Use it. Dont use it. Up to you...at least try to know more about something before you speak.

Hi PDG, welcome to the forum :D

I agree with the sentiment attached, but there must be some sort of balance. By applying overly liberal laws, a country loses out on many opportunities and this can cause the unemployment rate to increase. China by virtue of adopting these laws is ensuring that it has growth, which will allow it to increase the quality of life of people in due course. More specifically, as the demand for labour increases, so the price of labour will start to increase, allowing a better quality of life. Unfortunately for South Africa, while we have a massive surplus of unskilled labour, we cannot use it, as companies would rather go to China and India where the labour is cheaper.

The only way these issues can be avioded is to apply a strict policy of protectionism, which has its own issues, and can lead to massive inefficiencies in a country.
 
Tassidar said:
Hi PDG, welcome to the forum :D

LOL...err...forgot that I'm a newbie here. Hi everyone :o

Anyway, the reason I felt compelled to register and respond to those comments is that I find that, in reading some posts in this forum, there is a ridiculously one sided view in terms of the opinions people hold about our youthful country.

Most of us have lived here all our lives...and those who feel they've lost something in the transition will generally slide towards a right wing point of view without even realising it. So, I just thought I'd come in and lefty things up a bit :-D

I tend to want to listen to people who talk about seeking a balance. And your point about our country having a largely unskilled and unused labour force is spot on. Last I checked though, being unskilled was by no means a sentence to toil in appalling conditions for nearly nothing...all without recourse to protest!
 
pdg said:
LOL...err...forgot that I'm a newbie here. Hi everyone :o

Anyway, the reason I felt compelled to register and respond to those comments is that I find that, in reading some posts in this forum, there is a ridiculously one sided view in terms of the opinions people hold about our youthful country.

Most of us have lived here all our lives...and those who feel they've lost something in the transition will generally slide towards a right wing point of view without even realising it. So, I just thought I'd come in and lefty things up a bit :-D

I tend to want to listen to people who talk about seeking a balance. And your point about our country having a largely unskilled and unused labour force is spot on. Last I checked though, being unskilled was by no means a sentence to toil in appalling conditions for nearly nothing...all without recourse to protest!

I would welcome a well reasoned left-wing point of view here. Don't worry, a couple of weeks here will turn you into a hardened cynic :D

Do you have any proposals to increase the employment rate, while not sentencing people to appalling conditions? That is the real trick for this country.
 
In the spirit of this thread I'd like to say a big mucho gracias to whom ever made my iPod.

Perhaps someone there might be able to tell me wtf Chinese Maths is?
 
pdg said:
Clearly you, my friend, are unlikely to ever work in appalling conditions for low pay. This probably accounts for your very limited "workers must work and STFU" attitude towards labour rights, in the country where you probably grew up enjoying the comforts of modernity while the majority were legally kept from doing the same...no matter how hard they worked.

While I agree that unemployment is a serious issue in this country, it should be addressed with the rights of workers in mind. The reason why people are exploited en masse in countries like China and India is because their governments somehow allow it...and the western corporations eat it up.

Look, if you wanna live in a society where a worker's right to protest unfair working conditions could literally lead to their life being threatened, then, you know, go ahead and do so. This is a young democracy...it owes its people the chance to try and avoid being exploited without the power to at least say something.

I have a book recommendation for you: NO LOGO

Use it. Dont use it. Up to you...at least try to know more about something before you speak.


Well well well! What do we have here? A psychic? Living proof of telepathy? Mr. ESP? I don't see how else you could impute so much from my statement that we could learn a lot from China. But yet I am tried, condemned, hanged, drawn, and quartered on the basis of a three-sentence post.

Should I even click on your book club selection link? Nah. You can be our resident expert, seeing as you know so much more than I do. We'll leave you to chant the workers' chant, or go play in the traffic, or quickly resolve our unemployment problems, or go fiddle with yourself. Any of which seems appropriate. Just some advice. Use it. Dont use it. Up to you...
 
leonb said:
Just remember that R300 in China goes much further than R300 in South Africa / US / UK.
tibby.dude said:
Another factory in Suzhou, Shanghai, makes iPod shuffles. The workers are housed outside the plant, and earn £54 per month - but they must pay for their accommodation and food, "which takes up half their salaries", the report observes.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?RSS&NewsID=14915

Apparently not far enough. :(
 
pdg said:
LOL...err...forgot that I'm a newbie here. Hi everyone :o

LOL! If you grab yourself a new nick at least try to behave like you are new here - at least for a few posts! :D
 
JBFRobisher said:
Should I even click on your book club selection link? Nah. You can be our resident expert, seeing as you know so much more than I do. We'll leave you to chant the workers' chant, or go play in the traffic, or quickly resolve our unemployment problems, or go fiddle with yourself. Any of which seems appropriate. Just some advice. Use it. Dont use it. Up to you...

ROFL. You tell him JBFRobisher! Don't let these one post wonders get ahead of themselves here!:p
 
JBFRobisher...you should read the book...its a good read if not a little outdated no....
 
pip said:
ROFL. You tell him JBFRobisher! Don't let these one post wonders get ahead of themselves here!:p

I take it that you mean that, as a newbie, I should "know my place"...right?
Far too original for me...I doubt I can ever come up with an appropriate repsonse.

To JBFRobisher specifically: I realise that my response to your first post was a bit over the top. There just seems to be a lack of differing points of view in this forum in terms of the views expressed about this country and its people.

My post was intended to bring to your attention that there's a lot more to consider in terms of the rights of workers, especially in the Third World, where people like us (the advantaged) live so far high above the horror that they (the disadvantged) have to live with on a daily basis in order to get by...oh, and make us those shiny laptops and iPods.
 
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