Thought you believe in the religion of peace. Wouldn't you then want peace instead of war ?
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What he is implying is he wants this war for justice , not victory
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What he is implying is he wants this war for justice , not victory
DigitalSoldier
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace
Islam doesn't seem to fit under the definition of peace though, so its another lie claiming its a religion of peace.
killadoob
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Is there a peaceful region one wonders? Somehow i don't think so, are humans by nature peaceful? Nope. Whether it is religion, money, oil, power there will always be war. The people to watch out for are those claiming they are peaceful while they attack and attack and attack.
Some religions imply that is very anti christish
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Iran must be close to a nuclear weapon because the US is falling for a classic Israeli setup
I don't know if it's true. It wouldn't surprise me if it where true. It also wouldnt surprise me if it was false.
I actually don't trust the American govt. I trust the Iranians even less. Im pretty sure the Iranians are involved in trying to overthrow all non-Shia govts in the region. And the Americans, Brits are doing all they can to undermine and encourage the collapse of the Iranian govt. Personally I hope Iran collapses. It's a brutal culture and I have no sympathy for it. And yeah, if western govts indulge in some dirty business, then I can accept it. The world is a nasty place. Always has been. Always will be.
I know a lot of you see the Americans as bully's. Well most of the time other countries are begging them to intervene. Yeah, they screwed up in Iraq. Big time. People only focus on what America does. Most here don't give a rats ass what dictators are doing to their citizens.
Personally I wish the US and UK would stop intervening. Let these countries destroy themselves. They arent worth the effort. Spend less on aid, more on nuclear weapons and nuke the f###s if they look at us funny. Really no need to bother invading anyone.
noswal
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No Agenda Show for Thursday October 13th 2011
Planned news story to distract from whats going on
http://m.podshow.com/media/15412/episodes/298758/noagenda-298758-10-13-2011.mp3
Planned news story to distract from whats going on
http://m.podshow.com/media/15412/episodes/298758/noagenda-298758-10-13-2011.mp3
killadoob
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Zippy:
Who knows who is controlling the sunni and shytes, they have been at war for years and there is also the kurds and more than likely 20 other dumbass organizations who feel the need to kill each other. Add in the US and you have a party
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You know what makes me dislike the american government so much is the whole libya thing. Nato goes in with no real plan but to bomb the shyte out of liyba. Wreck the country, sure perhaps the people are better off but i am sure everyone thought iraq would be better off without saddam, the opposite has happened there. Then you get a country like bahrain who are killing and imprisoning thousands and they can do what they like, their saudi brothers will even send in tanks to help keep the majority from rising up. There is no democracy in bahrain but where are the threats of an attack or harsh punishment for doing exactly what they were against in liyba? Why won't they free the majority of the shytes in that country? We keep hearing about democracy and who has it and who doesn't but it's never the pro american countries in the firing line.
Why can the US support a dictatorship in bahrain but has issues with it elsewhere? They payed muburak billions yet they are against dictators. Now my logic tells me if the US cared about people it would not matter who you are. Yet there are rules for pro US countries and then anti west countries have their own set. Yet we are suppose to buy the americans care or want to try help the people?
Why aren't they helping the majority shytes who make up the bahrain population? it's practically pre 1994 South africa over there. Exactly the same thing but that is cool they support and are good friends with the US and the saudi's so if they want to kill their own people and have no democracy no worries, saudi arabia will even send in some tanks to make sure the majority don't come to power.
Yea we hate countries with no democracy we hate dictators killing their people but they forget to mention if you are pro US then it's fine. Sad that the US gets to police the world but the world has to sit back and trust these dirty lying bastads while they dictate who is good and who is bad and you are only bad if you do not bow down and take your load.
Isn't it odd out of all the dictators in africa the one with the most oil is removed while the rest continue to slaughter their people and wreck their countries. Where is the help for darfur? Somalia? Zimbabwe? Yea but liyba we must stop the dictator, it's just pure coincidence liyba has the biggest oil supply in africa. Iraq yea we want to help the people we don't want their vast oil supplies, iran has so much oil it is scary.
Who knows who is controlling the sunni and shytes, they have been at war for years and there is also the kurds and more than likely 20 other dumbass organizations who feel the need to kill each other. Add in the US and you have a party
. You know what makes me dislike the american government so much is the whole libya thing. Nato goes in with no real plan but to bomb the shyte out of liyba. Wreck the country, sure perhaps the people are better off but i am sure everyone thought iraq would be better off without saddam, the opposite has happened there. Then you get a country like bahrain who are killing and imprisoning thousands and they can do what they like, their saudi brothers will even send in tanks to help keep the majority from rising up. There is no democracy in bahrain but where are the threats of an attack or harsh punishment for doing exactly what they were against in liyba? Why won't they free the majority of the shytes in that country? We keep hearing about democracy and who has it and who doesn't but it's never the pro american countries in the firing line.
Why can the US support a dictatorship in bahrain but has issues with it elsewhere? They payed muburak billions yet they are against dictators. Now my logic tells me if the US cared about people it would not matter who you are. Yet there are rules for pro US countries and then anti west countries have their own set. Yet we are suppose to buy the americans care or want to try help the people?
Why aren't they helping the majority shytes who make up the bahrain population? it's practically pre 1994 South africa over there. Exactly the same thing but that is cool they support and are good friends with the US and the saudi's so if they want to kill their own people and have no democracy no worries, saudi arabia will even send in some tanks to make sure the majority don't come to power.
Yea we hate countries with no democracy we hate dictators killing their people but they forget to mention if you are pro US then it's fine. Sad that the US gets to police the world but the world has to sit back and trust these dirty lying bastads while they dictate who is good and who is bad and you are only bad if you do not bow down and take your load.
Isn't it odd out of all the dictators in africa the one with the most oil is removed while the rest continue to slaughter their people and wreck their countries. Where is the help for darfur? Somalia? Zimbabwe? Yea but liyba we must stop the dictator, it's just pure coincidence liyba has the biggest oil supply in africa. Iraq yea we want to help the people we don't want their vast oil supplies, iran has so much oil it is scary.
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You are correct up to a point. I feel that oil was a strong motivator rather than the prime motivator. Gadaffi was insane & Saddam was a nasty piece of work. There may also have been an element of America concealing some US dirty work by zapping Saddam. But ultimately, they deserved it.
What you are not factoring into your calculations are the huge demands the Arab Spring is expecting the West to meet. There is a global financial crisis – no-one has money. The US is already spread thin in Afghanistan and Iraq (and other brushfire wars). Syria is looking dubious. Bahrain is dodgy, Egypt might flare-up again. Algeria and Morocco may be left to the French (they never got over losing them). NATO must recover from Libya. Iran may be left for the Israeli’s to handle. Jordan is iffy. Palestine is an ongoing thorn in everyone’s side. Etc. etc. bla, bla.
It’s not a simple equation.
d0b33
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At least they are sending 100 troops to fight the LRA Christian militants...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684
DigitalSoldier
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Is there a peaceful region one wonders? Somehow i don't think so, are humans by nature peaceful? Nope. Whether it is religion, money, oil, power there will always be war. The people to watch out for are those claiming they are peaceful while they attack and attack and attack.
Some religions imply that is very anti christish
But only one religion claim to be the religion of peace and they will defend that statement even when shown evidence that disprove their claim.
killadoob
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Yea LOL go team USA. Pal they say qaddafi and saddam were bad men but perhaps we are not factoring in they needed to be bad men perhaps. In the west we live in a fairly civil society but the middle east is far from civil and iraq shows one thing, let all the different factions come out to play and it will be civil war. The US prefers civil war though, it destabilizes the region which is a good thing if your forces are gathering.
Look at iraq now, nothing but death and daily bombings. That never happened when saddam had it under control. Liyba i dunno i never heard about qaddafi killing his own people until they wanted him gone then suddenly out of the blue he was murdering his people.
Then again bahrain are doing exactly the same thing and they were doing it before liyba and got away with barely a mention so i dunno man it's complicated but it is not consistent. I would have no issues if everyone had to play by the same rules. Go free the people of bahrain, let them have democratic elections so the majority can win. Another thing pal saddam had been a bad man for many years yet they never removed him when they had the chance. They never removed him in the 90's, suddenly he starts dealing in euro's and he is attacked. Hmmm odd.
It is getting mighty interesting though. Iran and the US are snow balling rapidly at the moment.
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Qatar (and others) seem to do OK without insane dictators at the helm.
killadoob
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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the US had hoped to make people forget about its "internal economic problems".
In an appearance on al-Jazeera he also said the US was looking for an excuse to toughen sanctions against Iran.
Saudi Arabia meanwhile asked the UN Security Council to look into what it called a "heinous conspiracy".
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he had passed correspondence about the affair to the Security Council.
'Truth will be revealed'
Two men, one a used-car salesman who lived in Texas, were charged last week over the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington using explosives.
President Ahmadinejad said on Monday in a live interview on al-Jazeera television: "In the past the US administration claimed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
In an appearance on al-Jazeera he also said the US was looking for an excuse to toughen sanctions against Iran.
Saudi Arabia meanwhile asked the UN Security Council to look into what it called a "heinous conspiracy".
Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said he had passed correspondence about the affair to the Security Council.
'Truth will be revealed'
Two men, one a used-car salesman who lived in Texas, were charged last week over the alleged plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington using explosives.
President Ahmadinejad said on Monday in a live interview on al-Jazeera television: "In the past the US administration claimed there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.
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Fudzy
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Good point, the Enron scandal broke in just as suspicious timing...
Zippy:
Who knows who is controlling the sunni and shytes, they have been at war for years and there is also the kurds and more than likely 20 other dumbass organizations who feel the need to kill each other. Add in the US and you have a party
You know what makes me dislike the american government so much is the whole libya thing. Nato goes in with no real plan but to bomb the shyte out of liyba. Wreck the country, sure perhaps the people are better off but i am sure everyone thought iraq would be better off without saddam, the opposite has happened there. Then you get a country like bahrain who are killing and imprisoning thousands and they can do what they like, their saudi brothers will even send in tanks to help keep the majority from rising up. There is no democracy in bahrain but where are the threats of an attack or harsh punishment for doing exactly what they were against in liyba? Why won't they free the majority of the shytes in that country? We keep hearing about democracy and who has it and who doesn't but it's never the pro american countries in the firing line.
Why can the US support a dictatorship in bahrain but has issues with it elsewhere? They payed muburak billions yet they are against dictators. Now my logic tells me if the US cared about people it would not matter who you are. Yet there are rules for pro US countries and then anti west countries have their own set. Yet we are suppose to buy the americans care or want to try help the people?
Why aren't they helping the majority shytes who make up the bahrain population? it's practically pre 1994 South africa over there. Exactly the same thing but that is cool they support and are good friends with the US and the saudi's so if they want to kill their own people and have no democracy no worries, saudi arabia will even send in some tanks to make sure the majority don't come to power.
Yea we hate countries with no democracy we hate dictators killing their people but they forget to mention if you are pro US then it's fine. Sad that the US gets to police the world but the world has to sit back and trust these dirty lying bastads while they dictate who is good and who is bad and you are only bad if you do not bow down and take your load.
Isn't it odd out of all the dictators in africa the one with the most oil is removed while the rest continue to slaughter their people and wreck their countries. Where is the help for darfur? Somalia? Zimbabwe? Yea but liyba we must stop the dictator, it's just pure coincidence liyba has the biggest oil supply in africa. Iraq yea we want to help the people we don't want their vast oil supplies, iran has so much oil it is scary.
I also find it offensive that western governments still support other dictators. However, there has been a major shift in the last 20 years. Before 1990, there was every chance that any dictator about to get thrown out would have been able to call on the west to help him. This mainly due to the cold war. Now, the best they can expect is "advice to step down". This has a lot to do with public opinion in the west. There is no way an American or European govt will survive if they try to prop these guys up. Yes, bahrain is bad. But its nowhere near what started happening in Libya or even what is going on in Syria. Also, The west didnt move on Libya without Arab support and international support. i dont buy the sob story of the likes of SA, Brazil, Russia, China etc. that "we didnt know that the west would use the authority to launch airstrikes" Its was very clear where it was going. All of the media in the UK, there was no doubt that that was the Un resolution could lead to if Gaddafi persisted, long before it passed. If they really did believe what they say, then they are guilty of stupidity of the highest order and have no business in the security council because they are stupid.
killadoob
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The west never had arab support for Libya, the arab league voted against a strike.
So i am not sure what arab support they had if the arab league didn't approve. Liyba is still fine though i don't have many issues with the removal of qaddafi but the defiance the west shows is horrible. If i recall the US didn't have international support for the war in iraq either. Another annoying thing is why we have the UN, why we have the arab league if they don't mean shyte at the end of the day. Why bother if nobody is forced to listen.
You can be damn sure all hell would break lose if iran started an illegal war that had no support and told a major lie to get the war but not the US no sir they can do as they please because they are the police, there is no one willing to stand up and stop them.
It scares me when one nation dictates our future in all honesty.
So i am not sure what arab support they had if the arab league didn't approve. Liyba is still fine though i don't have many issues with the removal of qaddafi but the defiance the west shows is horrible. If i recall the US didn't have international support for the war in iraq either. Another annoying thing is why we have the UN, why we have the arab league if they don't mean shyte at the end of the day. Why bother if nobody is forced to listen.
You can be damn sure all hell would break lose if iran started an illegal war that had no support and told a major lie to get the war but not the US no sir they can do as they please because they are the police, there is no one willing to stand up and stop them.
It scares me when one nation dictates our future in all honesty.