Iran - The War Begins (article)

[Xarog]

Wiki : "Upon becoming President, Bashar al-Assad promised economic and political reforms to Syria, but he has so far delivered little change from the status quo. The Baath Party remains in control of the parliament, and is constitutionally the "leading party" of the state. Bashar al-Assad, however, was not strongly involved previously in the running of the party. Until he became President, Bashar's only formal political role was as the head of the Syrian Computer Society, which was mainly in charge of introducing the Internet to Syria."

Yeah, not exactly a convincing case for the threatening nature of Syria.

Oh yeah, the edited line REALLY convinces me... Know what Ipse dixit means?

 

[Xarog]

Pacify Iraq ? What about Iran and Syrai at the same time?
Actually Isalm is at the centre of most conflicts - no all conflicts today.
and there are 1000s of Jews and Christians who disagree with your militant islamic views

Idiot. I'm not a muslim, nor do I come from an Islamic heritage.

But I guess your inability to avoid using epithets would prevent you from allowing for the possibility.

 

[marine1]

Then again just as many do. Hitler was a self-professed Christian, afterall.

Who worshiped Mein Kampf

 

[marine1]

Idiot. I'm not a muslim, nor do I come from an Islamic heritage.

But I guess your inability to avoid using epithets would prevent you from allowing for the possibility.

Ahhh again with the name calling. You sound like a Muslim. Shame am I getting under your skin ? By the way I said you have Islamic views in that post not that you were a muslim.

 

[d0b33]

No because obviously you aren't well informed.

And you are?

Except of course when it comes to Hezbollah propaganda which you soak up like sponge.

While you soak up the US imperial propaganda like a vacuum

 

[marine1]

And you soak up the Islam propoganda. Door swings both ways.

 

[Xarog]

Ahhh again with the name calling. You sound like a Muslim. Shame am I getting under your skin ? By the way I said you have Islamic views in that post not that you were a muslim.

Which is still a fundamental misunderstanding of my views and beliefs and the reason that I hold them, which goes back to my original assessment of your intellectual capacity.

 

[d0b33]

You sound like a Muslim. Shame am I getting under your skin ?

By making such an idiotic statement, you clearly are losing the debate

 

[d0b33]

And you soak up the Islam propoganda. Door swings both ways.

The only propaganda that I'm subjected to comes from the west, and unlike you I see right through it

 

[marine1]

See through the propoganda from the west? Yeah you just believe what ever the arabs say. Blind faith in their propoganda.

 

[marine1]

By making such an idiotic statement, you clearly are losing the debate

Actually when someone name calls then he is losing the battle. Simple isnt it ?

 

[Skeptik]

Xarog: What was your answer to my question?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=873532&postcount=140

 

[Xarog]

Xarog: What was your answer to my question?
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showpost.php?p=873532&postcount=140

Sorry, I didn't see it before.

Reports about where the rockets came from varies. Mostly they were being constantly moved and fired from dense shrubbery that was being used as camoflage.

And as for where Hezbollah was hiding themselves, they did what every other standing force in the world has ever done : used whatever cover they could find, whether those are civilian buildings or whether they are bunkers.

 

[Skeptik]

Sorry, I didn't see it before.

Reports about where the rockets came from varies. Mostly they were being constantly moved and fired from dense shrubbery that was being used as camoflage.

And as for where Hezbollah was hiding themselves, they did what every other standing force in the world has ever done : used whatever cover they could find, whether those are civilian buildings or whether they are bunkers.

They stored the Katyshas in the orchards. They stored the launchers between occupied civilian buildings and drove them out to open space where they launched their salvos against Israeli civilians (a war crime), then drove them back to the civilian areas.
Not a good scenario for the IDF trying to hit them. They had little choice. Hezbollah were too cowardly to act like a regular army and frequently just dumped their uniforms and mingled amongst civilian.

 

[Xarog]

They stored the Katyshas in the orchards. They stored the launchers between occupied civilian buildings and drove them out to open space where they launched their salvos against Israeli civilians (a war crime),

Yeah, funny how most of those rockets actually managed to land on or near Israeli military installations.

Hezbollah cannot be said to have specifically been targetting civilians.

Not a good scenario for the IDF trying to hit them. They had little choice.

You show me how a ton of cluster bombs was actually supposed to help this situation, and why Israel chose to fire these bombs in the last days after a date for a ceasefire was agreed to. Please, I really want you to explain this to me.

Hezbollah were too cowardly to act like a regular army and

Hey, guess what the first thing the IDF did when they tried to take a town? They hid among the civilian buildings!

So much for Hezbollah being 'cowardly'. They were just following ordinary battle tactics like all armies do.

frequently just dumped their uniforms and mingled amongst civilian.

Source?

 

[Skeptik]

Yeah, funny how most of those rockets actually managed to land on or near Israeli military installations.

Hezbollah cannot be said to have specifically been targetting civilians.



You show me how a ton of cluster bombs was actually supposed to help this situation, and why Israel chose to fire these bombs in the last days after a date for a ceasefire was agreed to. Please, I really want you to explain this to me.


Hey, guess what the first thing the IDF did when they tried to take a town? They hid among the civilian buildings!

So much for Hezbollah being 'cowardly'. They were just following ordinary battle tactics like all armies do.


Source?

Katyshas are hopelessly inaccurate by nature. They are WWii vintage weapons only designed to rain onto enemy positions. They cannot be 'aimed'. This is the reason the UN declared this act a war crime because they pointed the launches towards civilian areas. I don't know where you get your ideas about military bases getting a lot of hits. Do you have a source?

The cluster bombs were used as a deterrent. Hezbollah would be too busy either avoiding their stockpiles of weapons or treading very carefully to start firing off more salvos. Clever in my opinion. Besides a ceasefire is never a certainty - even today the Lebanese fired across the Israeli border.

Sure the IDF took cover behind civilain buildings. Did you notice that they dropped leaflets first warning people to leave. They then shelled them or bombed various buildings and ONLY then went in. They were therefore not civilian areas any more. And when they were finished, the buildings did not exist so they could never be used as cover again.
Of course Hezbollah ran away and took cover elsewhere rather than engage.

 

[Xarog]

Katyshas are hopelessly inaccurate by nature. They are WWii vintage weapons only designed to rain onto enemy positions. They cannot be 'aimed'. This is the reason the UN declared this act a war crime because they pointed the launches towards civilian areas. I don't know where you get your ideas about military bases getting a lot of hits. Do you have a source?

I'll bring my source when you either put up your source for the uniform remark or rescind the claim.

And you should know that Israel has built bases and weapon factories right next to it's civilian centres (mostly next to arab areas).

The cluster bombs were used as a deterrent. Hezbollah would be too busy either avoiding their stockpiles of weapons or treading very carefully to start firing off more salvos.

Yeah, what's the chances that one of those million rogue bomblets manages to kill a Hezbollah soldier instead of a civilian? Katyshas are 10 times more accurate.

Clever in my opinion. Besides a ceasefire is never a certainty - even today the Lebanese fired across the Israeli border.

Guess which side has violated the agreement more often between the two sides.

Sure the IDF took cover behind civilain buildings. Did you notice that they dropped leaflets first warning people to leave. They then shelled them or bombed various buildings and ONLY then went in. They were therefore not civilian areas any more. And when they were finished, the buildings did not exist so they could never be used as cover again.

Bullsh!t.

Of course Hezbollah ran away and took cover elsewhere rather than engage.

That's not what you said. You said they dumped their uniforms and hid among civilians.

 

[LoneGunman]

based on the absence of logic and military tactics being shown here, I guess most folks here would call the Boers 'cowards' for their tactics during the Anglo-Boer war?

Its funny that the same country that likes to call itself a poor victim in every instance it can, is the same one that is the only country in the Middle East to legalize torture, possess hundreds of nuclear weapons, and has been in violation of multiple UN resolutions, for decades.

 

[Alan]

The US was not under threat by the muslims in Sudan, yet they bombed them anyway.

Really? Are you talking about the "bombing" in 1998?

Israel incited the 6 day war. Israel routinely ignores international law. Israel is guilty of countless warcrimes.

Oh and the amassing hostile armies on their border had nothing to do with it. What about the other wars. Did they start them as well?

The US and Israel are the real rogue nations.

Well by your definition almost every developed nation on earth is a "rogue nation"

Since they are defending the country from an outside attack that the government is unable to face. And Hezbollah is part of the government and each sect within Lebanon has their own private army. It just happens to be that the Christian sect is the one that is "officially" the army.

There was no "attack" to face had it not been for Hezbollah's actions. Here you go with the whole "Christian" thing again. What has that got to do with Hezbollah, Israel and Iran.

Yeah, funny how the citizens widely disagree with the government. And it's worth noting that Lebanon isn't a democracy which you seem to think is so critically important.

Well it's far more democratic than Hezbollah.

Because in Lebanon the president has to be Christian and the vice-president has to be Sunni. Other than that, Hezbollah is the largest single sect within the Lebanese govt. IIRC. And right now it has the support of the majority of the Lebanese. If Lebanon was a real democracy and votes were held tomorrow, Hezbollah would be the decisive winners.

Proof please?

Yeah, once invaded twice shy.

You still haven't answered why Irsael "invaded" in the first place? Why weren't these bunkers and stockpiles built along the Syrian border then?

I don't see any whining. And if they're so powerful how come they can't even pacify little old Iraq?

The U.S have restrained themselves incredibly in Iraq. A more "human" war has never been fought before. They could strat bomb whole cities into the ground if they wanted to.

Yeah, I don't understand it either. Any idiot can see that it's a foot shooting excercise.

You see how your logic doesn't add up. You claim they want oil but anybody can see it won't work so to cover that you write off the most powerfull people on earth as idiots. Pity you can't reach the lofy heights that even an idiot can.

I'm glad you agree.

Another word you don't know the definition of

Then explain why it matters that Saudi-Arabia is not known to be developing nuclear technology.

Islamic fundamentalist State with nukes +Islamic terrorists = Big problem.

Better informed than you are.

So why these "you tell me" and "I dunno" replies then

Every single time that you claim that every source of violence in the middle east perpetrated by a muslim is the result of fundamentalism or extremism.

It is the source. Funny how muslim nations like Egypt and Jordan who have accepted Israel now live peacefully alongside them. Not every muslim wants the destruction of Israel and to live under strict and distorted interpretations of Islam. You can't seem to tell the difference between a ordinary Muslim and an extremist.

Everyone does. But then news stations poach each other's stories all the time. If news24 breaks a new huge scandal involving a rape charge against tony leon do you really think iol isn't going to follow suite?

But this is in there own back yard. You telling me Al Jazeera could not get the speech through their own sources but have to rely on "western' news agencies. Given their bias why would they publish the mistranslation that puts Iran in a bad light? Bit like these U.S news stations that are "pro Bush" yet propagate lies about him to negatively impact his election campaign. Guess the explanation for all this is that they are all idiots too.

No they aren't.

So why did you compare that scenario with the U.S suppling Israel with weapons. If you don't see any difference then surely Hezbollah has no right to "invade" America then?

 

[Pitbull]

That post must have taken hours !