Israel commits war crimes

Debbie2 said:
Guys if you want this thread closed, insult each other. If not, play nice and stay away from the personal insults :)
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Don’t threaten, close the thread already. Who cares?
 
ajak I cant close this thread. I was just mentioning that ppl must be careful because it is so easy to get into personal insults on this topic, and this was already starting. As soon as it starts, i feel so sorry for the poor mods who have to watch this topic, because either way they get flak for closing or for not closing.... Again, that was not a threat, it was a request.
 
yup, the romans first forced jews out and there after they left on their own to settle elsewhere mainly europe whilst some stayed but were persecuted but the christian crusades. Hrm i remember listening to a historian on how the zionist movement started etc but it was long ago so i'm left with wikipedia :/

All i know is that the whole arab war thing is due to zionist movement rather than jewish religion contrary to what people will have you believe. Infact if you look back you will find that arabs have co-inhabited lands with jewish people for quite some time due to the time factor with the last 3 major religions.

Anyways regardless of who attacks, civilian deaths on either side cannot be tolerated. In war, arabs no.. muslim's are not allowed to kill woman and children thats why the whole suicide bomber thing has me completely perplexed cause all muslim people know that suicide = eternal damnation, and suicide bombings kills civilians too. Oh and incase you forget lebonese != only muslim.. it includes are large % of christians too, i close to 50%
 
icyrus said:
And you have the nerve to say others are coming to "broken conclusions". Perhaps you can't think for yourself and just believe everything that you are told... in that case its almost understandable.
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I sleep rather soundly night knowing that I don't support the actions of a bunch of baby killers and ****ing war criminals just because of some rather misguided and utterly foolish belief held by some on this forum that because we have a common religion and scriptures that I owe them my support.

You and the Israeli supports club on this forum can support their evil but count me out.
 
tibby.dude said:
I sleep rather soundly night knowing that I don't support the actions of a bunch of baby killers and ****ing war criminals just because of some rather misguided and utterly foolish belief held by some on this forum that because we have a common religion and scriptures that I owe them my support.

You and the Israeli supports club on this forum can support their evil but count me out.
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Who DOyou support and why? Pray tell us.
 
At this point theres a full-on war going on in South Lebanon and atrocities of war will continue to be committed by both sides.
Since Hezbollah choose to make it an urban war, the Lebanese people will suffer far more than the Israelis. Hezbollah started this conflict and has in fact been condemned by Arab leaders for their actions.

These days its pretty easy to be a terrorist organisation and paint your opposition as criminal - simply get some ancient weaponry, hide out in civilian neighbourhoods and lob bombs over the fence. Then make sure you have as many journalists as possible hanging out with you to see the opponent bombing the civilian building housing your fighters. Since your fighters look like civilians, the general public don't know the difference when a bunch of "civilians" are killed.

I guarantee you that if Hezbollah had the weaponry of Israel, the civilian death count would be the other way around given how Hezbollah seem to ignore military targets in favour of civilians.

At this point, I would agree with what a UN humanitarian spokesman has called for - that is a 3 day cease fire to evacuate the civilians from south Lebanon. Sure some of the terrorists will be able to flee as well, but at least then anyone that stays behind is a legitimate military target.
 
Skeptik said:
Who DOyou support and why? Pray tell us.
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I support the right of the Palestinian people to their own independent state and also for the state of Israel to exist and for them to live in peace without fear of terrorism.

But Hezbollah is a terrorist group (The Lebanese state in an innocent bystander) and Israel is supposedly a civilized nation state ... at the moment the behaviour and actions of both are really no different from each other... they are both rather alike in their terrorist actions.
 
tibby.dude said:
I sleep rather soundly night knowing that I don't support the actions of a bunch of baby killers and ****ing war criminals just because of some rather misguided and utterly foolish belief held by some on this forum that because we have a common religion and scriptures that I owe them my support.

You and the Israeli supports club on this forum can support their evil but count me out.
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How nice for you. Now, like I have said before I don't support Israel, or anyone else for that matter. In fact I stated before that the world would be better off if that entire region ceased to exist. The only difference is that I can see things for what they are. Israel needs to fight Hezbolla but Hezbolla doesn't want to fight Israel, they want to kill civilians. Israel on the other hand just wants to kill the militants attacking them and their weapons. The problem comes because Hezbolla runs and hides in the civilian population hoping that Israel will still come for them and end up killing those civilians so they get the exact reaction you have just shown.

Everyone is now looking at and condemning Israel and no-one is calling on Hezbolla to stop. Its all Israel.

So tell me, what would you like Israel to do with an enemy that won't engage it, hides behind the civilian population and still attacks only Israel's civilians.

You go on about how Israel are the real terrorists, why is it then that Israel are doing everything they can to limit civilian casualties while Hezbolla are doing everything they can to kill more civilians.

I wrote all that despite knowing that it is futile. People have the preconceptions and agendas and wont let anything get in the way of that.
 
Israel to widen ground offensive.GO ISRAEL GO

The Israeli cabinet has agreed to widen the country's ground offensive against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
The decision, made at a closed door session, received unanimous approval, a senior political source said.
In the latest fighting, Israeli war planes struck eastern Lebanon, Lebanese officials said.
Earlier Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out an immediate truce, saying Israel would continue its offensive as long as its security was threatened.
Mr Olmert also reiterated calls for the release of the two Israeli soldiers seized by Hezbollah - whose capture in a cross-border raid sparked the conflict on 12 July.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/-/1/hi/world/middle_east/5233518.stm
 
icyrus said:
How nice for you. Now, like I have said before I don't support Israel, or anyone else for that matter. In fact I stated before that the world would be better off if that entire region ceased to exist. The only difference is that I can see things for what they are. Israel needs to fight Hezbolla but Hezbolla doesn't want to fight Israel, they want to kill civilians. Israel on the other hand just wants to kill the militants attacking them and their weapons. The problem comes because Hezbolla runs and hides in the civilian population hoping that Israel will still come for them and end up killing those civilians so they get the exact reaction you have just shown.

Everyone is now looking at and condemning Israel and no-one is calling on Hezbolla to stop. Its all Israel.

So tell me, what would you like Israel to do with an enemy that won't engage it, hides behind the civilian population and still attacks only Israel's civilians.

You go on about how Israel are the real terrorists, why is it then that Israel are doing everything they can to limit civilian casualties while Hezbolla are doing everything they can to kill more civilians.

I wrote all that despite knowing that it is futile. People have the preconceptions and agendas and wont let anything get in the way of that.
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Sounds like the action of um****u
 
Ajak its people like that should be shot and killed not the inoccent civillians in Lebanon and Israel.

its people like that promote terrorism and conflict. you actually agree with Israel widening its offensive and killing more inoccent people?

everyone is this world wants peace and harmony but people like you promote fighting?????

this world needs peace and harmony and for all people to get along not war!!!!!!
 
CNN showed footage of an RPG cache right next to a bombed apartment block. The reporter also said he found hand-grenades lying around in an office. I would say the Hezbollocks brought this tragedy upon themselves.
 
its hard to ask hezbollah + lebonese to stand down when the israeli's army is more dominant and the invading force causing more casualties.
Question: If you are being invaded by a army do you stop fighting when the invading party has said they will not stand down?
 
My God the ignorance of this post made me laugh. Your own quotes betray you.
Sunnic said:
Meeting in Lake Success N.Y. November 29, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly approved the partition plan, with 33 votes in favor, 13 against, 10 abstentions and one absent (see list at end of document).


no doubt it was but under who's authority?
the US and UN ??????
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Chuckle, chuckle. Read carefully with 33 votes in favor You do realise the UN isnt one country right?

Sunnic said:
where the Philistines allowed on this vote and the answer is NO.
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You do realise the Philistines haven't been around since about 730B.C. the modern day Palestinians have absolutely no realtion to the Philistines, they are the same as the Jordanian, Syrian, and Lebanese arabs. In fact the term Palestinian only took on its current meaning in 1968 after the PLO decided to define it.


Sunnic said:
"After looking at various alternatives, the UN proposed the partitioning of Palestine into two independent States, one Palestinian Arab and the other Jewish, with Jerusalem internationalized. One of the two States envisaged in the partition plan proclaimed its independence as Israel and in the 1948 war expanded to occupy 77 per cent of the territory of Palestine. Israel also occupied the larger part of Jerusalem. Over half the indigenous Palestinian population fled or were expelled. "
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The Jews accepted the mandate the majority of Arabs did not and Israel's neighbours declared war on the fledgling state. These countries Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Lebanon and Iraq, told the arabs living there at the time to flee so that they could wipe out the Jews. Israel won the war, in the process and subsequently they captured the land that the "palestinians" could have had if they had just agreed to peace. Those arabs that didnt flee are fully fledged members of Israeli society and even serve in the army http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=48711. And as for the refugees i'll leave you with this:
The Arab League forbade any Arab country from accepting these refugees or settling them in normal housing, preferring to leave them in squalid camps. Former UNRWA Director Ralph Galloway stated in 1958: "The Arab states do not want to solve the refugee problem. They want to keep it as an open sore, as a weapon against Israel. Arab leaders do not give a damn whether Arab refugees live or die."

Again, it was Arabs who resisted efforts by Israel to settle the refugees in normal housing from 1967-95, when Israel administered the lands.

And again in the late-1990s, when 97 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza lived under full jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority, the refugees continued to be confined to camps -- despite the millions of UNWRA and international relief dollars which poured into PA coffers specifically for this purpose.

It is important to note, as Joan Peters documents in her seminal work, "From Time Immemorial," that the vast majority of these refugees did not live for generations on the land, but rather came from Egypt, Syria and Iraq as economic opportunities increased during the first half of the 20th century, the formative years of Jewish aliyah.

The United Nations' standard definition of a "refugee" is one who was forced to leave a "permanent" or "habitual" home. In the case of Arab refugees however, the UN broadened the definition of refugee to include anyone who lived in "Palestine" for only two years prior to Israel's statehood in 1948.
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Open your eyes, read something other than propaganda. Stop embarrasing yourself/insulting others.
 
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ha

And Sunnic goes down on his knees, and says ‘forgive me, you have shown me the error of my ways.:D :D
 
Its nice to see a debate such as this for a change, the problem is the middle east will never see peace, not in our lifetime nor that of our grandchildrens children, it has been , is and will always be a conflict zone. Throughout history , the middle east has been the most fought after patch of land in the world, and YES, it is all to do with the pathetic religious political power-hungry few,who will never see eye to eye.
As to the civilian casualties, the term is "collateral damage", that is what military strategists regard us ,the public ,who get caught between two opposing forces in a war situation as. Always remember that you and I , and joe public are mere pawns in the great game of politics and power, we dont matter, and NEVER make the mistake of thinking that any country gives a sh*t about their population in a time of war ,they only use those losses as an excuse to fight longer.
Also, a lot of war is phsychological, by showing lots of dead "innocents and children", the opinion of those who at first were against this or that can slowly be changed to suit the needs of those who want more support, and to stop the support of the opposition.
Its all just a big pathetic game nothing more ,nothing less, and the losers die .
 
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