Israel Considers Pre-Emptive Attack On Iran

The_Assimilator said:
Iran may have a nuclear weapons program, but they almost certainly don't have the capability to actually use nuclear weapons (missiles or bombs) yet. In contrast, Israel has had nuclear capabilities since the 60s at least, so this attack - should it happen - will not be MAD, just a pre-emptive strike to delay or (hopefully) completely deter Iran from pursuing nuclear options.

The attack on the reactor will be achieved with conventional weapons - but should any hostile countries around Israel decide to make a move following this strike, they may very well find themselves on the receiving end of an Israeli nuclear barrage. That is something none of them can afford.
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It's not Iran that will nuke Israel...
 
Alan said:
One is a democracy and the other a backward dictatorship run by religious lunatics....
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Bollocks. Iran has democratic elections for all it's citizens, Jews included (they are also represented in government as a minority). The US does not always favour democracy when it does not dance to their fiddle hence the US backed overthrow of many democratically elected leaders in the world.
 
You guys are like small kids, talking about "nuclear barrages". Nobody is going to use a nuclear weapon anytime soon. Its nothing but a deterrant. Can't see anyone using a nuclear weapon in the ME or the world. Not even the apartheid state.

A nuclear weapon is a last resort. You guys make me laugh with this nuke this and nuke that bull****.
 
ponder said:
Bollocks. Iran has democratic elections for all it's citizens, Jews included (they are also represented in government as a minority). The US does not always favour democracy when it does not dance to their fiddle hence the US backed overthrow of many democratically elected leaders in the world.
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Seems you have a warped idea of democracy...
The politics of Iran take place in a framework of theocracy guided by an Islamist ideology. The December 1979 constitution, and its 1989 amendment, define the political, economic, and social order of the Islamic Republic of Iran, declaring that Shi'a Islam of the Twelver school of thought is Iran's official religion.

Iran has an elected president, parliament (or Majlis), and an "Assembly of Experts" (which elects the Supreme Leader of Iran), and local councils. According to the constitution all candidates running for these positions must be vetted by the Guardian Council (with the exception of those running for "Assembly of Experts") before being elected.

In addition there are nontransparent unelected organization (usually under Supreme Leader's control) trying to "protect the state's Islamic character".[1] The majority of the Iranian political parties are banned.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Iran



The Guardian Council of the Constitution[1] (Persian: شورای نگهبان قانون اساسی, Shora-ye Negahban-e Qanun-e Assassi), also known as the Guardian Council or Council of Guardians, is an appointed and constitutionally-mandated 12-member council that wields considerable power and influence in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

The Iranian constitution calls for the council to be composed of six Islamic faqihs(expert in Islamic Law), "conscious of the present needs and the issues of the day" to be selected by the Supreme Leader of Iran, and six jurists, "specializing in different areas of law, to be elected by the Majlis (the Iranian Parliament) from among the Muslim jurists nominated by the Head of the Judicial Power,"[2] (who, in turn, is also appointed by the supreme leader).[3]

It is charged with interpreting the Constitution of Iran,[4] supervising elections of, and approving of candidates to, the Assembly of Experts, the President and the Majlis,[5] and "ensuring ... the compatibility of the legislation passed by the Islamic Consultative Assembly [i.e. Majlis] ... with the criteria of Islam and the Constitution", i.e., as the watchdog of the constitution it can veto any law passed by the Majlis.[6]

The Council has played a central role in allowing only one interpretation of Islamic values to inform Iranian law, as it consistently disqualifies reform-minded candidates—including the most well-known candidates—from running for office, and vetoes laws passed by the popularly elected Majlis.[7][8] When the 2009 Presidential election was announced, the popular former president, Mohammad Khatami, would not discuss his plans to run against Mahmoud Ahmadinejad as the Council may disqualify the Muslim cleric as it has other reformist candidates on the grounds that they were not dedicated enough to Islamic values.[9][10] It has also increased the influence the Islamic Revolutionary Guard (an ideological fighting force separate from the Iranian army) has on the economic and cultural life of the country.[11]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Council


Protests following the 2009 Iranian presidential election against the disputed victory of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and in support of opposition candidates Mir-Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi occurred in major cities in Iran and around the world[34] starting June 13, 2009. The protests were given several titles by their proponents including Green Revolution, Green Wave or Sea of Green, reflecting presidential candidate Mousavi's campaign color, and also Persian Awakening.[35] The creation of the Iranian Green Movement was developed during these protests. The events have also been nicknamed the "Twitter Revolution" because of the protesters' reliance on Twitter and other social-networking Internet sites to communicate with each other.[36] Islamic politician Ata'ollah Mohajerani blasted the election as "the end of the Islamic Republic".[37] In response to the protests, other groups rallied in Tehran to support Ahmadinejad.[38]

Widespread editorial analyses assert that the 2009 election marks the official end of the Islamic Republic and the beginning of the Islamic emirate or an imamate regime.[39][40] All three opposition candidates claimed that the votes were manipulated and the election was rigged, and candidates Mohsen Rezaee and Mousavi have lodged official complaints. Mousavi announced that he "won't surrender to this manipulation" before lodging an official appeal against the result to the Guardian Council on June 14.[35]

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei declared the unprecedented voter turnout and coinciding religious holidays as a "divine assessment" and urged the nation to unite, but later ostensibly ordered an investigation into the claims of voting fraud and irregularities as per the request of the Green movement leaders.[41][42][43] Mousavi is not optimistic about his appeal, saying that many of the group's members "during the election were not impartial".[44] Ahmadinejad called the election "completely free" and the outcome "a great victory" for Iran, dismissing the protests as little more than "passions after a soccer match".[45]

Police and the Basij, a paramilitary group suppressed both peaceful demonstrating and rioting using batons, pepper spray, sticks and, in some cases, firearms. The Iranian government has confirmed the deaths of 36 people during the protests,[32] while unconfirmed reports by supporters of Mousavi allege that there have been 72 deaths (twice as many) in the three months following the disputed election.[33][46] Iranian authorities have closed universities in Tehran, blocked web sites, blocked cell phone transmissions and text messaging,[47] and banned rallies.[42]

Protests erupted again in February 2011, concurrent with the Arab Spring.
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By your logic Zimbabwe is a democracy :erm:
 
I want a GTI said:
You guys are like small kids, talking about "nuclear barrages". Nobody is going to use a nuclear weapon anytime soon. Its nothing but a deterrant. Can't see anyone using a nuclear weapon in the ME or the world. Not even the apartheid state.

A nuclear weapon is a last resort. You guys make me laugh with this nuke this and nuke that bull****.
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Did I say nukes? I said bomb Irans nukes, get your head out your rear end please.
I found the book, downloaded it already
 
I'm amazed that this even made the news, given their track record cloak & dagger ops are more their style.
 
copacetic said:
Can someone just clue me in why Israel and the USA can have nukes, but Iran is not allowed to?

Stupid question, I know.
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Because:

a) Israel's nuclear capacity is still 'officially' unknown
b) Israel is NOT a signatory to the Nuclear non proliferation treaty and has no obligations under said treaty.

The US has nukes cause they invented them.
 
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alloytoo said:
Because:

a) Israel's nuclear capacity is still 'officially' unknown
b) Israel is NOT a signatory to the Nuclear non proliferation treaty and has no obligations under said treaty.

The US has nukes cause they invented them.
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No they never did, it was a well known german who invented it actually. A very well known man indeed.
 
I don't support neither Iran nor Israel I think they both dangerous to the world. However I understand Iran's animosity towards the west and their warped view of how democracy should be done.

It seems every time Iran comes up people forget or don't know what really happen in that country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'état

Go go team America.
 
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