Israel declares red alert

agerbon said:
It's really sad this thing of Suicide bombers, can u imagine what could drive a human being into doing something like that. These people are desperate, wouldn't you be too if all the powerful nations of the world are against your people.
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People blow themselves up for plenty of reasons. Believing you're going to paradise and getting 72 virgins plus decades of brainwashing means they don't really have to be desperate.

While it's not right, you have to admire the passion for freedom these people have.
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Oh please freedom under Hamas or Fatah. :rolleyes:

These people come from poor war torn nations, how else do we think can they bring justice to any wrongs done to them.
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Some of them are affluent citizens of Western countries. There are plenty of war torn African countries and how many have regular suicide bombings


And what do the powerful nations of the world do, they keep attacking them. Only to create more poverty and desperation. Sad really.
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:eek:

You'll need to supply proof of that or you're totally delusional
 
sabagamma said:
Not according to Shimon Peres. He says the only justification for the state of Israel is a moral one. Without the moral justification you have no justification.

Nobody "owns" land - you just conquer it. If people owned land then does the USA belong to the Native American Indians, does Australia belong to the Aborigines, does South Africa belong to blacks?

If we carry on with that line of thinking, half the world would be uprooted. You and I would be getting training from Jews on how to survive without a country...
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That would be the San or Bushmen in the case of South Africa but other than that you have made a good point. Obi Wan will be proud.
 
Gilgamesh said:
Your distinction is meaningless.

The pen-stroke was illegal and against the wishes of the inhabitants of most of the land occupied.

But time has its way of reversing wrongs.....
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It is only meaningless insofar as it smacks a hole in your arguement. But it really doesn't matter.

Here is a thought - go take a petition to the Hague and get them to agree with you. Unfortunately it isn't enough for wishes to make something illegal.

And you are possibly on your point about time. The children of God were banished from their land a long time ago, and now have returned although I suspect this is not what you meant, you little warmonger, you.
 
sabagamma said:
Not according to Shimon Peres. He says the only justification for the state of Israel is a moral one. Without the moral justification you have no justification.

Nobody "owns" land - you just conquer it. If people owned land then does the USA belong to the Native American Indians, does Australia belong to the Aborigines, does South Africa belong to blacks?

If we carry on with that line of thinking, half the world would be uprooted. You and I would be getting training from Jews on how to survive without a country...
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Jews has a state nation didn't survive. Only thing that kept them together was their religion.

mmm, essentially its always been under 'Simitic' control. In a warped way of thinking the land has never changed ownership, but because of religious views it seems like it did.
 
alanf85 said:
People blow themselves up for plenty of reasons. Believing you're going to paradise and getting 72 virgins plus decades of brainwashing means they don't really have to be desperate.



Oh please freedom under Hamas or Fatah. :rolleyes:



Some of them are affluent citizens of Western countries. There are plenty of war torn African countries and how many have regular suicide bombings




:eek:

You'll need to supply proof of that or you're totally delusional
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Yea in Africa they leave pity things like suicide bombings, they go straight for genocide.

Easy to say they been brainwashed because you probably don't share their religious views.

Has for proof come on mate tell me you read a newspaper, own a TV. because really it's been on papers quite a lot. (USA and who ever joined with them in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and now looking at Iran)

These people are clearly fighting because of religious views, in that note "When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion." Robert M. Pirsig.
 
I'm hoping that things will calm down before I go to Israel :o
 
agerbon said:
Easy to say they been brainwashed because you probably don't share their religious views.
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No it's easy beacuse there's an abundance of proof.


Has for proof come on mate tell me you read a newspaper, own a TV. because really it's been on papers quite a lot. (USA and who ever joined with them in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait and now looking at Iran)
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There's your problem. Find out what's really happening not what some 'journalist' at the Sunday Times or CNN dreams up in a dark room. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not wars against the people but the regimes that oppressed them and threatened other countries.

blueghost_39 said:
I'm hoping that things will calm down before I go to Israel :o
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Fat chance
 
Gilgamesh said:
I see you do not dispute that the land was taken.



If you think that the inhabitants of that land left their homes and villages willingly, you would be incorrect. Were those "conflicts" not military actions?
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Nothing to dispute.
Depends which portions of the land you refer to? The land they own was per International agreement after WW2 to give them back their biblical right of ownership.

The rest was taken to secure their border. Worked very effectively until they unilaterally decided to hand some back. Then the last skirmish started and it never really ended. These Arabs, and Palestinians that were chased by the Arabs, will not stop until this ends in a Nuclear war as predicted.
 
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"I talk of those who lived on the land in 1948" .. and where did those come from? Did they not conquor from another?
If there were no Israel, that would stop Suni and Shia killing each other?
Those killing each other were LONG before there even was a State of Israel.


Gilgamesh said:
I talk of those who lived on the land in 1948.



http://www.womenforpalestine.com/020403v2/pp_testimonies_gohgoh.htm



http://www.palestine-studies.org/final/en/journals/abstract.php?aid=4348

But the centuries will turn, and right will prevail.
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Albereth said:
It is only meaningless insofar as it smacks a hole in your arguement. But it really doesn't matter.

Here is a thought - go take a petition to the Hague and get them to agree with you. Unfortunately it isn't enough for wishes to make something illegal.

And you are possibly on your point about time. The children of God were banished from their land a long time ago, and now have returned although I suspect this is not what you meant, you little warmonger, you.
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I am not a warmonger - I am a person of peace.

UnoPanelvan said:
Nothing to dispute.
Depends which portions of the land you refer to? The land they own was per International agreement after WW2 to give them back their biblical right of ownership.

The rest was taken to secure their border. Worked very effectively until they unilaterally decided to hand some back. Then the last skirmish started and it never really ended. These Arabs, and Palestinians that were chased by the Arabs, will not stop until this ends in a Nuclear war as predicted.
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I would remind you that the Arab League rejected the division of Palestine and have a Palestinian member on this basis:

the States signatory to the Pact of the Arab League consider that in view of Palestine's special circumstances, the Council of the League should designate an Arab delegate from Palestine to participate in its work until this country enjoys actual independence.
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Nuclear war would resolve little and is the kind of solution that the little ones at school might propose. Israel as a state exists upon the beneficence of America, and America is a fair-weather friend. It will not last.
 
"There's your problem. Find out what's really happening not what some 'journalist' at the Sunday Times or CNN dreams up in a dark room. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are not wars against the people but the regimes that oppressed them and threatened other countries."

Very true mate, we live in a dangerous times where we can't trust any information we get.

I used a bad example but then again what example could anyone supply. The reality is we have no clue to what is happening over there, we get fed half truths, what sources should we believe? Everyone has got their own agenda.

We should be looking at who is actually gaining from all these conflicts that are happening there, because at the moment it seems all sides are loosing.
 
JK8, you have been shown to be a bigoted anti-Semite - your comments hold no value

JK8 said:
Cool where you going? I also want to go check it out, wheres all the pretty ladies at?
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anger? or the lack there of? I wonder what repurcussions would have been if same comments were directed to other group of people..
though clearly the ability to debate, to validate or put a point across is diminished by bigoted anti-Semite attacks - as shown per this thread.. with none action taken whatsoever.
That given, the bigoted anti-Semite remarks serve no other purpose than to highlight the attitude that prevails.
but hey, just let it be - its harmful aint it? Just like a cartoon? Reflect inside before pointing outwards, perhaps.

jabulani said:
What's with the anger! Spread a little love, my brother! Have a slice of pizza.
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Just to check, we're talking about 'Israel' - the nuclear armed state which stands in violation of multiple UN resolutions, for its illegal occupation of other peoples lands and country? That one? The one that's made and sealed off ghetto's and forced the original inhabitants have to starve and struggle for employment in their own country? The one that - prior to 1948, and the handing over to a little bunch of fascist* zionists, where arabs and jews lived peacefully side by side?
The one propped up by billions of US dollars, which waggles Holocaust guilt, or accuses critics of 'antisemitism' in order to keep the sympathy and money pouring in?

So they've called a red alert, have they? Awwww. Shame.

Recommended viewing: Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5293917261584022246

* = (read what Albert Einstein wrote about the dangers of the fascist formation of "Israel' in 1948
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Dissent/Einstein_NYTimes_Israel.html
and if this url seems too leftist, try a transcript hosted at the Harvard University Physics lab
http://www.physics.harvard.edu/~wilson/NYTimes1948.html
 
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