"It is a tokoloshe"

smalltownsky said:
that is because you come from a privilidged perspective and have been given the chance to use and develop logic. these are the same guys who burn buses and toilets because it is the only way they get noticed. with the failing education system and the spread of tradition you will get slightly less educated people. there are even uneducated white people who believe in demons and lizardmen, who HAVE gone to school and are capable of thinking. it's all indoctrination.

i'm not defending the guy either, he could be an ******* and killed the animal, but we're discussing why he thought it was the tokoloshe. he had never seen a tokoloshe before, how was he supposed to know what to look out for? maybe he was excited to kill the animal because it represented something he was supposed to be afraid of. the point is, he is uneducated
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I get that. But that logic should be broken. It's no way to go in this day and age.

Catch-22. By the same token that I shouldn't expect unedcuated folks to comprehend things in a logical manner, it's a little bit of a cheek to expect me to comprehend things from an uneducated perspective. That just won't compute.
 
Do such backward people still really exist in this century? Amazing.
 
thestaggy said:
I get that. But that logic should be broken. It's no way to go in this day and age.

Catch-22. By the same token that I shouldn't expect unedcuated folks to comprehend things in a logical manner, it's a little bit of a cheek to expect me to comprehend things from an uneducated perspective. That just won't compute.
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i fully agree with you, i mean they can't even get out of their tradition, now they want to decide who the better political leader is, and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. it is no way to go, but this is BS they have been fed their life so it's hard for them to abandon a belief which hasn't been challenged. i still don't approve of how it turned out, but there are even people who are still racist who have had more than enough opportunities to change their beliefs who refuse to listen to reason and logic. i can't expect a lot from someone who probably hasn't finished school or watched a documentary in his life, but i will never know. i can only think of the circumstances and why they believed what they did.
 
smalltownsky said:
i fully agree with you, i mean they can't even get out of their tradition, now they want to decide who the better political leader is, and they shouldn't be allowed to do that. it is no way to go, but this is BS they have been fed their life so it's hard for them to abandon a belief which hasn't been challenged. i still don't approve of how it turned out, but there are even people who are still racist who have had more than enough opportunities to change their beliefs who refuse to listen to reason and logic. i can't expect a lot from someone who probably hasn't finished school or watched a documentary in his life, but i will never know. i can only think of the circumstances and why they believed what they did.
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Look, nobody has to change their entire culture, but some aspects can - and should - be adapted to the modern world. Times have changed, move with them or be left behind.

I will agree, the dude's probably uneducated, as are his parents and so on, but then I can't help but think it's an animal.
 
thestaggy said:
Look, nobody has to change their entire culture, but some aspects can - and should - be adapted to the modern world. Times have changed, move with them or be left behind.

I will agree, the dude's probably uneducated, as are his parents and so on, but then I can't help but think it's an animal.
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i'd rather entire cultures got kicked out and forgotten, and people adapt to what is best. i just feel that these people haven't been given the choice because they haven't known very much.
 
dude: "it is a tokoloshe!"
zoologist: "I would like to take a look at it to determine if we have encountered this sort of creature before if you don't mind"
dude: "no it was an evil tokoloshe so we burnt it and threw it in the river so that no trace of it's horrific evil would remain"
zoologist: "then we can't be sure that it was a tokoloshe and from the pictures you provided it looks an awful lot like a bush baby"
dude: "you doubt that it was a tokoloshe!?!? You some sort of witch?!?"
zoologist: "what?"
dude: "WITCH!!! BURN THE WITCH THEN THROW IT IN THE RIVER TOO!!!"
zoologist: "bugger"
 
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Originally Posted by abzo

You're threadcepting again. Refer to tokoloshe thread. You're educated with access to information. They are not. You can easily find out a bushbaby is not a monkey. They can not find out that it's not a tokoloshe, a creature deeply entrenched in their tradition.

Got it?

As for point 1. If you didn't know that's what he meant then maybe you're not as astute as I give you credit for. My apologies for overestimating.


They do not need to Google to see it is NOT a tokoloshe. Answer me this, since you are opbviously a fully qualified anthropologist:

Why did THEY not just think it was a monkey? If I am stumbling around the Amazon, and suddenly see a living thing under a tree,that I have never seen on National Geographic Channel or on the internet or floating dead in my pool or sitting on the roof of my house: do I think that maybe it is a species not seen by me or anyone else before OR do I get hysterical and catch it, kill it and burn it while screaming tokoloshe at the top of my lungs?

Get it?
 
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MightyQuin said:
Why did THEY not just think it was a monkey? If I am stumbling around the Amazon, and suddenly see a living thing under a tree,that I have never seen on National Geographic Channel or on the internet or floating dead in my pool or sitting on the roof of my house: do I think that maybe it is a species not seen by me or anyone else before OR do I get hysterical and catch it, kill it and burn it while screaming tokoloshe at the top of my lungs?
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Now you're comparing them to you? Who knows why they did what they did. I have no input regarding that. None of that is my point.

The only point I wanted to make is you thinking it's a monkey is just as bad or even worse than them thinking it's a tokoloshe. Other than that, I have nothing to say regarding this. I don't want to get into mudslinging about cultures and traditions etc etc.
 
I draw a direct correlation between this man (retarded, uneducated etc etc) and the current status of our country.

take a couple of million of these kinds, add a voting booth...

you cant expect to progress to a 1st world country when you got people still believing in bush cultures.

well you can fill in the rest.
 
abzo said:
Now you're comparing them to you? Who knows why they did what they did. I have no input regarding that. None of that is my point.

The only point I wanted to make is you thinking it's a monkey is just as bad or even worse than them thinking it's a tokoloshe. Other than that, I have nothing to say regarding this. I don't want to get into mudslinging about cultures and traditions etc etc.
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Your "point" is wrong and invalid.
 
MightyQuin said:
Your "point" is wrong and invalid.
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How so? With all your marvellous technology and education you don't know that a bushbaby is not a monkey. Please explain.

Keep in mind that they believe that tokoloshes exist the same way we know monkeys exist.
 
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abzo said:
How so? With all your marvellous technology and education you don't know that a bushbaby is not a monkey. Please explain.
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I think what the man is trying to say (and correct me if I'm wrong here MightyQuin) is that these people had an opportunity to learn something, to discover something. So instead of taking a closer look at it and learning something about this new creature they decided that it was an evil juju spirit monster, fscked it up real good and chucked it in the river.

One approach enshrines learning and discovery, the other is the stifling of learning and discovery.
 
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porchrat said:
I think what the man is trying to say (and correct me if I'm wrong here MightyQuin) is that these people had an opportunity to learn something, to discover something. So instead of taking a closer look at it and learning something about this new creature they decided that it was an evil juju spirit monster, fscked it up real good and chucked it in the river.

One approach enshrines learning and discovery, the other is the stifling of learning and discovery.
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its all relative. stifling to you, means survival to another :p
 
abzo said:
How so? With all your marvellous technology and education you don't know that a bushbaby is not a monkey. Please explain.

Keep in mind that they believe that tokoloshes exist the same way we know monkeys exist.
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You want to know what I did? I googled it and the first entry I saw was:

Galagos /ɡəˈleɪɡoʊz/, also known as bushbabies, bush babies or nagapies (meaning "little night monkeys" in Afrikaans), are small, nocturnal primates native ...

The word monkey/apie stuck im my head and I refered to it as that. Was I wrong to refer to bushbabies as monkeys? Of course I was. If I see one on my roof tonight I will call it a PRIMATE...but I sure as hell will not call it a tokoloshe.

Luckily for you, I used the word "monkey" which enabled you to quickly shift the focus of the thread. But allow me to re-focus it for you: If you, in this day and age, call ANYTHING a tokoloshe...you are stupid. Fienish en klaar...blaming it on colonialism, apartheid, not having a free tablet with free electricity and free data is not cutting it anymore. Maybe tune that TV in the shebeen/shack running on free electricity without a license, from SuperDiski to 50/50 once in a while...

While I am going home now...hope I don't run over any monkeys on the way home. Have a good weekend all...not you abzo !
 
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Whatever they are smoking or drinking they should package and sell!
 
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