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My daughter is being semi head hunted for a position, they asked her for a copy of her current salary slip - is this normal?

By semi head hunted she was approached to apply to be part of a short list for a certain position - they have short listed her for the final interview stage - anyhow, is asking for a copy of her current salary the norm in this kind of situation?
 
Its unfortunately normal... and if she gets the job they will merely offer her an increase based on that..

She should try find out the salary range of the position prior to that though, then she can see if its worth her while, and also give her a bit of negotiating power.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Its unfortunately normal... and if she gets the job they will merely offer her an increase based on that..

She should try find out the salary range of the position prior to that though, then she can see if its worth her while, and also give her a bit of negotiating power.
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the range was advertised, similar salary, slightly higher. new job is longer hours but more interesting, challenging.
 
Unfortunately it is normal and if I approach a company first (or in desperate need of a job) I would give it to them to maximise my chances.

If, however, they approach me they can fsck right off. My salary then has got nothing to do with them.
 
lived666 said:
the range was advertised, similar salary, slightly higher. new job is longer hours but more interesting, challenging.
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Well then hand the slip over, and go from there..... she at least knows the base she could be earning if she gets the job.
 
lived666 said:
My daughter is being semi head hunted for a position, they asked her for a copy of her current salary slip - is this normal?

By semi head hunted she was approached to apply to be part of a short list for a certain position - they have short listed her for the final interview stage - anyhow, is asking for a copy of her current salary the norm in this kind of situation?
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Normal but unethical.

I refuse out right to give them any salary slip. They make me an offer and I either refuse or accept. Seeing as she's not without a job and desperate she can make the demands ;)
 
Pitbull said:
Normal but unethical.

I refuse out right to give them any salary slip. They make me an offer and I either refuse or accept. Seeing as she's not without a job and desperate she can make the demands ;)
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But also from their side they should know what their budget is and if she is already earning more than that they might not want to continue with the interviews because it would be a waste of time... Its not always that people are out to screw you (although it definitely does happen)
 
Jehosefat said:
But also from their side they should know what their budget is and if she is already earning more than that they might not want to continue with the interviews because it would be a waste of time... Its not always that people are out to screw you (although it definitely does happen)
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I have no issue with their reason for wanting it. I have an issue disclosing it. Offer me what I'm worth to you and let me decide.
 
lived666 said:
My daughter is being semi head hunted for a position, they asked her for a copy of her current salary slip - is this normal?

By semi head hunted she was approached to apply to be part of a short list for a certain position - they have short listed her for the final interview stage - anyhow, is asking for a copy of her current salary the norm in this kind of situation?
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Let me introduce you to my good friend, Photoshop.
 
It seems to be a common practice these days. A company really should make an offer on what they think you're worth and what they can afford, but I think what has caused this is the rapid job hoppers demanding bigger and bigger salaries as they go. Certainly seen this in IT quite a lot - work for one year in a junior position, hop to a new job claiming to be an intermediate and wanting double the salary since they have the experience. Another year later going for a senior position. I don't want to be controversial, and I'm not generalizing - this is in my experience only - this has been particularly prevalent with BEE candidates we've seen. In fact, the last one told me brazenly that I must hire him at his requested salary (he was asking more or less twice the market rate) because he's BEE and, therefore, we really need him to make up numbers and should pay a premium. I told him that's not the way it works and he actually got aggressive. So I can quite understand why recruiters are doing this now, although I disagree with the practice.
 
Most employers base their offer on your previous pay slip regardless of any career progression or qualifications you may have gained in the process.
It's not right but you're just a number to most employers at the end of the day and not the "asset" they pretend you are.
The solution to that problem is simple - job hop every few months until you are paid what you are worth.
 
Where is my good friend Sonic2k? Not frequenting these types of threads anymore?
 
Yeah the new salary is based of the previous/current salary.

Try to leave the ball in their court though by asking them to make an offer based on your daughter's worth.
 
I was headhunted for my current position and they asked to see my existing payslip.

I said sure, but first we agree on a salary. Then provided my payslips after the fact.

I do feel the companies do this merely to get away paying as little as possible.
 
lived666 said:
My daughter is being semi head hunted for a position, they asked her for a copy of her current salary slip - is this normal?

By semi head hunted she was approached to apply to be part of a short list for a certain position - they have short listed her for the final interview stage - anyhow, is asking for a copy of her current salary the norm in this kind of situation?
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Everyone jumps on their high horse about their right to privacy on this topic. No, you (in the royal you sense) don't have to give anyone your salary slip, but if you don't, you look like a chump. There are plenty of legitimate reasons to want this information - this fear that they're going to use this information to screw you makes no sense - if they give you a tiny increase over your current salary, it simply means that either this is a company you wouldn't want to work for, or that you've failed to prove that you are worth what you want to be paid.

Not giving the slip to a great company that would quite happily pay 100% over your existing salary for you, is like writing them a letter saying, "Hey, I'm seriously underpaid here, and probably more junior than I'm making out, so much so, that whatever one would expect me to be earning, I'm earning much less than that. So I'm taking a chance here, hoping to score a job significantly over my existing level. Mm K?". There is this crazy idea that people are going to read withholding the information like this "Wow, this guy sticks by his guns. We don't know what he earned previously, so we'll just assume it's a lot, and offer him above market rates in order to attract him over. We've known him for hours, what could possibly go wrong?"

Basically, unless you were being royally screwed by your previous employer, it isn't worth withholding. Withholding will reduce your chance of getting a job offer at all, and also give them the impression that you are paid far less than what the position is advertising (definitely get a range before giving anyone your info, of course - an employer not giving a decent range is a similar game to you not giving them your prior income).
 
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Paul_S said:
Most employers base their offer on your previous pay slip regardless of any career progression or qualifications you may have gained in the process.
It's not right but you're just a number to most employers at the end of the day and not the "asset" they pretend you are.
The solution to that problem is simple - job hop every few months until you are paid what you are worth.
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garp said:
It seems to be a common practice these days. A company really should make an offer on what they think you're worth and what they can afford, but I think what has caused this is the rapid job hoppers demanding bigger and bigger salaries as they go. Certainly seen this in IT quite a lot - work for one year in a junior position, hop to a new job claiming to be an intermediate and wanting double the salary since they have the experience. Another year later going for a senior position. I don't want to be controversial, and I'm not generalizing - this is in my experience only - this has been particularly prevalent with BEE candidates we've seen. In fact, the last one told me brazenly that I must hire him at his requested salary (he was asking more or less twice the market rate) because he's BEE and, therefore, we really need him to make up numbers and should pay a premium. I told him that's not the way it works and he actually got aggressive. So I can quite understand why recruiters are doing this now, although I disagree with the practice.
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Anyone pick up the vicious cycle?
 
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