JZ 'side-steps' Zille debate - again

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Zille said:
"I learnt today (Wedneday) that Zuma has for the fourth time passed up an opportunity of a public debate on matters of policy with me - this is regrettable, especially since Zuma challenged his political opponents to a debate on policies during a speech at the Jabulani Stadium in Soweto on Sunday,"
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So… I read this a couple days ago and I’ve trying to put my finger on exactly what it is about this article that just made my blood boil

The fact the Zuma once again declined a public debate isn’t really it, because I expected nothing less from the man. It’s just a minor irritant at the end of the day. Hell in his position I would do exactly the same… he is the president of the party which reportedly has 60% majority support of the population. He has nothing to prove and plenty to lose in a debate with someone who one can’t really deny is a pretty sharp cookie… especially when it comes to policies that the ANC has accused the DA of not actually having

I think what really got under my skin is the fact that Zuma declined after challenging all comers to open debate during a speech at another ANC rally. This was something blasted out to a cheering crowd, this was out there for everyone to hear, this was meant to portray him as a fearless leader.
Why is it in our country that people seem to think they can get away with saying whatever they want without any consequence (hmmm… probably because they can :rolleyes:).
[/me waits for all the cries of “quoted out of context” from the ANC camp]
Isn’t it about time these poephols were held accountable for all the k@k that comes out of their mouths?

What p!ssed me off even more is that JZ often falls back on the age old Zulu “culture and traditions” excuse when it suits him. Now in the good old days of real Zulu’s, the idea of issuing a challenge and then declining when someone took you up on it would have been hazardous for one’s health. In face I’d venture that the nob who first opened his mouth with a challenge and then declined would in fact have had his head staved in by the nearest proud Zulu male over the age of 12 within earshot
 
Hoof-Hearted said:
What p!ssed me off even more is that JZ often falls back on the age old Zulu “culture and traditions” excuse when it suits him. Now in the good old days of real Zulu’s, the idea of issuing a challenge and then declining when someone took you up on it would have been hazardous for one’s health. In face I’d venture that the nob who first opened his mouth with a challenge and then declined would in fact have had his head staved in by the nearest proud Zulu male over the age of 12 within earshot
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:D:D:D You make an interesting point!
 
Zuma would be absolutely crushed in a debate. Especially against someone as sharp as Zille. From what I've seen, all his speeches are written for him. He just reads things line by line, not really understanding what hes saying.

Its better he doesn't take part in any debates, because that would only show what a real idiot the man is. He should rather campaign the way "the people" want him to. Dancing around in a sheep skin and singing outdated struggle songs.
 
Zuma obviously is well aware of his limitations hence his decision not to engage in debate with one of the countries best.
 
sandmanm34 said:
Zuma obviously is well aware of his limitations hence his decision not to engage in debate with one of the countries best.
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Well then he shouldn't go around challenging everyone to open public debate now should he.
It concerns me greatly that the supposed new president of our country can make statements and issue challenges with impunity. (and then back down as soon as someone calls him on them)
 
Hoof-Hearted said:
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What p!ssed me off even more is that JZ often falls back on the age old Zulu “culture and traditions” excuse when it suits him. Now in the good old days of real Zulu’s, the idea of issuing a challenge and then declining when someone took you up on it would have been hazardous for one’s health. In face I’d venture that the nob who first opened his mouth with a challenge and then declined would in fact have had his head staved in by the nearest proud Zulu male over the age of 12 within earshot
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He claims to be a proud Zulu but is afraid of middle-aged white lady. Shaka would be proud:rolleyes:! I'm sure Zille could also beat him in an arm-wrestling contest:D!
 
Bubbilicious said:
I'm sure Zille could also beat him in an arm-wrestling contest:D!
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He may beat her with a swift kick to the crotch ... her balls are obviously way bigger than his ;)

Bubbilicious said:
He claims to be a proud Zulu but is afraid of middle-aged white lady. Shaka would be proud:rolleyes:!
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If I were the DA I'd be punting this big time
 
Hoof-Hearted said:
He may beat her with a swift kick to the crotch ... her balls are obviously way bigger than his ;)
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Patricia de Lille also has large cajones.

As regards the discussion on 702 - Holomisa impresses. He needs to join up with Zilly and Delilly and get some steam going.

The bad news - The ANC seem to think that shouting louder than everyone else is the way to go. It turned me right off - sounded like a female Malema speaking.

IFP made good points, but rather slow in getting them across.

COP - keep it up. Contrary to the ANC insults you are making them very nervous.
 
daveza said:
Patricia de Lille also has large cajones.

As regards the discussion on 702 - Holomisa impresses. He needs to join up with Zilly and Delilly and get some steam going.

The bad news - The ANC seem to think that shouting louder than everyone else is the way to go. It turned me right off - sounded like a female Malema speaking.

IFP made good points, but rather slow in getting them across.

COP - keep it up. Contrary to the ANC insults you are making them very nervous.
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+1

I think all of the opposition parties in SA should join together as one then the ANC will be really worried. Having many opposition parties confuses the masses and they go for the ANC because it is the most familiar one.

Sadly many of the opposition parties are too proud and want to stay independant and push their own agendas instead of forming a collective and fighting for this countries future (DA being the exception).
 
Bubbilicious said:
+1

I think all of the opposition parties in SA should join together as one then the ANC will be really worried. Having many opposition parties confuses the masses and they go for the ANC because it is the most familiar one.

Sadly many of the opposition parties are too proud and want to stay independant and push their own agendas instead of forming a collective and fighting for this countries future (DA being the exception).
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I want the parties independent but able to ally when necessary. An example of this is the DA Alliance's control of Cape Town. I think the ID and the DA have different agendas, and would never want to vote for the ID, but support the coalition as the best option in that instance.

Also, any amalgamation with the DA and a black party would mean that the DA would be forced to adopt a pro AA / EE stance. For my own part, I could never honestly vote for a party that supports racial discrimination. Now if all opposition joined, that would leave me in a pretty pickle, wouldn't it?

Lastly, imagine the scenario where the ANC and ANC V2.0 are fairly evenly matched for votes. The swing vote would then go to the DA, effectively meaning that it had more policy control than if it were part of another party.

As a side note, then ANC and SACP are aligned. This is another (if I ever needed one) reason not to vote for the ANC, since if I voted for them 1/3 of my vote would be for the SACP, something I could never accept.
 
Smartest thing Zuma could do, she would take him to the cleaners....

The worst bit is that his supporters would prob not even realize that he is having his ass handed to him, they would just do there usual thing, stand up and start dancing and singing
 
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=nw20081107145236621C647812

Zuma brushes off Zille debate offer

ANC President Jacob Zuma has rejected Democratic Alliance leader Helen Zille's offer to engage him in a public debate.

Addressing students at the University of the Western Cape in Cape Town on Friday, Zuma said Zille should rather debate her DA policy issues with the electorate.

"I debate issues with the electorate - they (the DA) must not try to debate their own issues through me," he said.

Zille had challenged Zuma to a public debate after the ANC president said during an address to Soweto residents on Sunday that the ruling party was ready to debate issues with the opposition.

However, on Friday Zuma suggested that Zille had misunderstood him.

The ANC president said he had merely urged Zille and the rest of the opposition parties to debate issues with the public so that South Africans knew what they stood for.
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Oh well, that clears that up.
 
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