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[w1z4rd]

As far as America goes, they're on the light side?!?!

Okay - now your credibility is shot. If you think all America has done wrong is since Bush came to power... then you are wearing Super-Dooper Rose Tinted Glasses mate. They have never been altruistic - ever.

I guess you are not really paying attention in this thread. Did you read my previous posts?

Heres an exercise in forum reading. Ive mentioned GW Bush in this thread.. could you quote what I said about him please? Its not hard.. you just have to slowly read what I wrote and then do some copying and pasting.

Also, I'm not a Russian apologist... though I guess my view on the Chechnyans is the same as my views on the death penalty - leading heart liberals will scream and cry and I'll just roll my eyes...

wtf is a "leading heart" ?

 

[w1z4rd]

Here you say concentrate on the big evils so i am assuming the US is exempt from your big evils?

I do not support russia nor America but it seems the Americans are looked upon as Angels who do no wrong.

Wow! What a bizarre assumption

Any crime against humanity needs to be dealt with. Seriously it has to be, and those who do wrong need to be held accountable. But what say we start at the top and work our way down?

Most of the world hates GW Bush and his policies... Im not sure why you are jumping on this bandwagon a little late. Even during Apartheid America and Russia were doing their penis comparison thing in our back yard.. Which is why we had the Angola war.

 

[Alan]

Mostly not but I dont care. I dont pusy foot around truth. I dont deal in absolutes so I can be convinced to change my mind with reason and logic.

Amen to that

GDI the French where getting their asses handed to them and the US was basically funding the war.

So their mentality back then was drop a nuke and they will surrender which worked and would have worked had the french agreed and dropped it but they knew dropping a nuke was wrong in some ways.
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You make it sound like giving somebody a nuke is like handing out candy. Leaving aside the political, administrative and technical difficulties of "giving" somebody a nuke for moment. If the U.S was so willing to use nukes in Vietnam why then didn't they use them when they themselves got involved in a fully fledged war with North Vietnam. How about Korea? Why weren't any nukes used there?

 

[smokey]

I guess you are not really paying attention in this thread. Did you read my previous posts?

Heres an exercise in forum reading. Ive mentioned GW Bush in this thread.. could you quote what I said about him please? Its not hard.. you just have to slowly read what I wrote and then do some copying and pasting.



wtf is a "leading heart" ?

Change*

You mention Bush, yes, but not the other presidents or their actions. In the 80's, 70's and going back. The point I'm trying to make is that everybody thinks America is some sort of bastion of international justice that GW messed up. Not so.

 

[killadoob]

Because the people of america would have gone ballistic, already there were massive movements against the vietnam war, also think about it if they had dropped a nuke on Vietnam a country they did not need to get involved with the president would have been gone very soon and i think the entire american population would have turned on the government. Nixon i think it was got impeached for bombing Cambodia without anyone knowing about it, imagine what would have happened had he ordered a nuclear strike.

In the 1940's it was different, nuclear bombs were new not many people knew the level of destruction and aftermath dropping one would lead to.

wizard smokey is spot on, you mention bush but fail to mention anyone else as if bush broke america, all bush did was carry on the American need to wage war. If anything Wizard you seem to be pro American and seem to ignore everything America has done as if it does not matter and you seem hell bent on pushing how bad the russians are and say nothing about America apart from i am bigot for not supporting them.

I only jumped on the bandwagon now? ok if you say so.

 

[w1z4rd]

Change*

You mention Bush, yes, but not the other presidents or their actions. In the 80's, 70's and going back. The point I'm trying to make is that everybody thinks America is some sort of bastion of international justice that GW messed up. Not so.

Sorry, but I only mentioned Putin in this thread. Your point? lol. I didnt list the previous 10 leaders of Russia either.. I mean I could have gone bananas with Stalin and his head count.

Im talking about modern recent history, and I am sure Americans have being watching their own interests for a long time. I would love to see an example of a country that isnt. Perhaps you as a conservative can show me with that orsm infinite conservative wisdom of yours.. what I am missing?

If you think people think that America is some baston of hope than you really need to stop going to those neocon conservative rallies you must be attending. Most of the world hates America for what they have done in the past.

Americans know this, they realize as the information comes out how much their government has screwed over the world. Hence we have Obama instead of Mc Cain.

When I travel, Americans are more disliked than the Israelis.. ... and this includes countries like Britain, Canada, Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil.. etc etc.

I have no problem with having a go because theyve being a22holes. However, I havent lost perspective of the bigger problems the world faces.

One thing.. all the worst presidents and most abusive presidents of America.. have being conservatives (the two Bushes, Nixon, etc etc) . Im glad Obama is a liberal.

 

[Alan]

@Killa

Really and Korea? That began in 1950. Do you have another source for this "giveaway nuke" that might provide a time frame of when this was supposed to have happened. Also how exactly is dropping a nuke supposed to stop an insurgency?

 

[w1z4rd]

wizard smokey is spot on, you mention bush but fail to mention anyone else as if bush broke america, all bush did was carry on the American need to wage war. If anything Wizard you seem to be pro American and seem to ignore everything America has done as if it does not matter and you seem hell bent on pushing how bad the russians are and say nothing about America apart from i am bigot for not supporting them.

I would respond fully to this, but its bs and a waste of my time. I havent defended anything america has said or done. My original post was about the terrible sourcing of your information, not about the information therein. Its like me quoting from a Chinese website about human rights should be done.

Right now you guys are concentrating on the petty theft criminal .. of which you got directions to his house from the axe murderer. Priorities people!

 

[killadoob]

What are the bigger problems?

Give me some perspective then.

Alan are you seriously me what a nuclear bomb would do to an army? think about if your in a war fighting a conventional war when all of sudden a nuclear bomb lands, are you going to continue fighting? Your going to put up your hands and say please do not drop another one.

Alan come on man how can you even ask how dropping a nuclear bomb would stop an insurgency.

Really if you are not defending them why start this thread? Also what does human right have to do my sig? Are you saying all the stuff in my sig is a bunch of lies? I guess you will believe that a country that can drop nuclear bombs would not offer them to a country it was funding to fight a war it was losing badly?

What happened after that bomb landed alan? The same result would have happened had the french chosen to drop one.

 

[w1z4rd]

What are the bigger problems?

Give me some perspective then.

Democracy for Russia, a real democracy not this farce that skeptik liked to defend. How about we stop Russia selling weapons to most of the poor world? That would cut the amount of deaths in Africa drastically.

How about we stop both Russia and America from bullying smaller countries? How about we help the peoples of Russia and China get "basic human rights" ?

How about we stop Russians from killing or arresting any political opposition so a real country can from out of that Chaos?

How about we stop the big countries from giving crappy countries like Iran nukes? (This goes for both teams)?

How about we stop the corruption of FSB agents in African countries? How about we force Russia and China to admit to the situation they created with the GENOCIDE in Sudan?

How about we stop the energy blackmail coming from Russia to poorer countries like the Ukraine?

This list could go on for hours...

I have a long list.. that totally trump your american hating.

 

[bwana]

GDI the French where getting their asses handed to them and the US was basically funding the war.

The french were keen to use nuclear weapons - seems they were busy trying to develop their own so why, if they had in fact been offered one, wouldnt they accept it from the US?

France was eager to cooperate with other countries on nuclear weapons. In May 1954 the French were far from victory in the war in Indochina against Ho Chi Minh. At the height of the decisive battle at Dien Bien Phu France's nuclear bosses sent a request to the chairman of the British Atomic Energy Authority. It was a shopping list of items that would help them build nuclear weapons including a sample quantity of plutonium "so we can take the steps preparatory to the utilisation of our own plutonium".[6] Before the letter even arrived the French had lost the battle and negotiations had been opened but later that year the French prime minister, Pierre Mendès-France, made the formal decision to build the atom bomb. Britain agreed to supply the requested nuclear materials, including enriched uranium. Among the most important parts of the agreement was an arrangement for the British to check the blueprints and construction of French plutonium production reactors.

 

[killadoob]

Well my sig is not big enough to adress all these problems, so how about you get yourself a sign with one of those problems and we can start a trend

Killa the America hater
Wiz the Russian hater
Gary the Iran hater
Frank the emo hater of everything not America

Bwana when were the french developing said nuclear bombs, there is a different between possessing a nuclear bomb and actually using one.
One thing America taught the world is that they should have nuclear weapons incase a country chooses to drop nuclear weapons, so in theory America dropping nukes lead to the nuclear bomb explosion because countries got worried and if they got hit by a nuclear bomb they would want to hit back with one.

I am not sure if the french were developing a bomb by the 40's or not but i know alot of countries have nuclear weapons and would not use them, Russia for instance has a stockpile of them but not even the evil russians have dropped one, yet america the angels are still the only country to have ever dropped a bomb and yet they go around as if they would never do such a thing.

 

[smokey]

OK - let me stop wasting time on this thread with this.

I find it absolutely moronic that you can lambast a Russian newspaper for a one-sided view, when the Anglo-Saxon media is just as one-sided. Notice. Anglo-Saxon (English), not western media. That is a load **** if I ever saw it.

Really pointless arguing about Russia vs. America because all governments are practically evil in one way or another (not just related to killing, but anything at all) so saying this one is right or that one is wrong is a waste of time.

The fact that America and Russia are behemoths of such an unprecedented size that whatever they do, it is magnified many times relative to incursions/errors/selfishness that were propagated in the past. Also of course, the moral compass that guides society is moving along whereas normal rules of power haven't changed a bit.

I hate neither Americans, nor Russians and have many friends among both broups so wasting my time here is pointless.

 

[w1z4rd]

Wiz the Russian hater
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Nope, you got me completely wrong. I am an equal opportunity offender. I dont think my poo or anyone elses doesnt stink. You wont believe how hectic my debates are with conservative Republicans in other forums. They call me an American hater and a commie. Its orsm. Everyone has issues, and everyone is in denial about them which is why they dont get fixed. People just sit back and play the blame game.

 

[w1z4rd]

OK - let me stop wasting time on this thread with this.

I find it absolutely moronic that you can lambast a Russian newspaper for a one-sided view, when the Anglo-Saxon media is just as one-sided. Notice. Anglo-Saxon (English), not western media. That is a load **** if I ever saw it.

Really pointless arguing about Russia vs. America because all governments are practically evil in one way or another (not just related to killing, but anything at all) so saying this one is right or that one is wrong is a waste of time.

The fact that America and Russia are behemoths of such an unprecedented size that whatever they do, it is magnified many times relative to incursions/errors/selfishness that were propagated in the past. Also of course, the moral compass that guides society is moving along whereas normal rules of power haven't changed a bit.

I hate neither Americans, nor Russians and have many friends among both broups so wasting my time here is pointless.

Okay, well since is the first time I have engaged you in this forum, I got to learn about you from your responses. The assumptions were fantastic and entertaining.

Im sure you we will all get more perspective as we learn more. Good luck with that and I look forward to the day I can take you seriously.

 

[smokey]

Okay, well since is the first time I have engaged you in this forum, I got to learn about you from your responses. The assumptions were fantastic and entertaining.

Im sure you we will all get more perspective as we learn more. Good luck with that and I look forward to the day I can take you seriously.

Likewise

 

[Alan]

Alan are you seriously me what a nuclear bomb would do to an army? think about if your in a war fighting a conventional war when all of sudden a nuclear bomb lands, are you going to continue fighting? Your going to put up your hands and say please do not drop another one.

Alan come on man how can you even ask how dropping a nuclear bomb would stop an insurgency.

What happened after that bomb landed alan? The same result would have happened had the french chosen to drop one.

But there was no conventional war but a guerrilla war. There was no state/army to use nuclear weapons against.

One thing America taught the world is that they should have nuclear weapons incase a country chooses to drop nuclear weapons, so in theory America dropping nukes lead to the nuclear bomb explosion because countries got worried and if they got hit by a nuclear bomb they would want to hit back with one.

Oh please. Of all the nuke armed countries only the Soviets and Chinese were rivals of the U.S. So you telling me they developed nukes only because they feared the U.S would hit them with nukes. They wouldn't have developed them anyway regardless of whether the U.S had them or not.

 

[killadoob]

Alan if you were an anti US country and they dropped a bomb, would you not look into creating a bomb incase they do infact attack you. Guess those countries already had nukes or were developing them in your little world of US wonder.

 

[Alan]

Alan if you were an anti US country and they dropped a bomb, would you not look into creating a bomb incase they do infact attack you. Guess those countries already had nukes or were developing them in your little world of US wonder.

The Soviet's nuke program started before the bombs were dropped on Japan

 

[killadoob]

Soviet's hmmmmm wow alan guess the American actually dropping one did not make numerous other countries nervous.

No they started developing the nuclear bomb because they thought they were in a race with the soviet's who never dropped a bomb.

The United States was the first country in the world to develop nuclear weapons, and is the only country to have used them as actual weapons, during the two bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in World War II. Before and during the Cold War it conducted over a thousand nuclear tests and developed many long-range weapon delivery systems.[2] It maintains an arsenal of about 5,500 warheads to this day, as well as facilities for their construction and design, though many of the Cold War facilities have since been deactivated and are sites for environmental remediation.

Come now alan lets see what you have to say now buddie

First to develop and only nation to have ever dropped bombs. Now once again if you a country who opposes the US you would shyte yourself and start a nuclear plan of your own after seeing the AMERICANS actually drop them.