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Sorry dude.. didnt know where to put this but you do know you are quoting a Russian link in your signature? You do know anything about America coming out of Russia is retarded.

Go to the Russia Today website and count the amount of anti-american articles vs local media stuff. You will be astounded that almost every article is anti-american or anti-european.

Russia lost control of its government and now the former KGB now FSB control the government, the media, the business and the crime.

Putin and GW Bush had this constant cold war penis thing to defame each other.. u killadoob are basically just continuing their penis fight.

Russia are killing people who try oppose the secret service. Russia killed tens of thousands of muslims in Chechnya.

Russia give their prisoners no rights.

Russia has killed journalists an ex agents who appose them.

Basically taking a Russian link in an attempt to jump on the anti-American bandwagon is bad dude.

Its like taking a link from an Iranian website and expecting it to give a neutral perspective on something like say..Christianity.

Im more than willing to go into waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more detail about this, about the RBN about how the FSB took control of the government. About how they are holding western nations in energy ransom, about how they treat political opposition, about how their FSB based plans are a threat to us in South Africa. .. about how Russia is STILL supplying weapons to crappy African countries caught in genocide (Like Sudan). Its all out there. Russia in my mind is currently the worlds most evil government.

Just the article you put in your signature is dishonest and is designed to incite. I really hope you are not going to continue the Russian sickness here in your attempts to badmouth America. Even if you dont like America its no reason to support Russia... and if you do support Russia and bad mouth America you will be the worlds largest hypocrite.

Just a thought.
 
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Yeah Killa posted this in another thread. It's a load of crap

For example

US even offered the French atomic weapons to use against the Vietnamese, which the French fortunately declined
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Honestly that goes right off the crap-o-meter.
 
Russia are a 100000000000000000000 times worse than America and the only reason Killa is having a go at America instead of Russia is because he is willing to ignore the crimes that Russia (the largest country in the world) commit... but not America.

Thats bigoted.
 
So everything in my sig is wrong?

I beg to differ, i put that in my sig because it pretty much the truth, how can you prove the Americans never offered france a nuclear bomb, as i recall they dropped a couple. Who are you to say America would never offer the french a nuclear bomb and then maybe you should carry on and say the Americans would never have dropped a nuke, THEY DID so why is it so hard to believe they would offer another country a bomb?

Bigoted you say, i think you guys are so freakin pro america you cannot believe anything bad about them.

Please in my sig tell what is wrong other than what you believe to be wrong. They dropped a bomb they could very well have offered a bomb.

Just because something does not come out of America does not make any less true, So nothing about America is true unless it comes from America?
 
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I don't think USA would give away a Nuke...
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You know this how? What do any of us know of the American Regime in the 1940's, they where capable of dropping a nuke why would they not be capable of offering a nuke?

I would never have thought any country would ever drop something as destructive as nuke yet they did. Again though it's fine they dropped a nuke but it is inconceivable to think they would offer a nuke to another country? Wizard why is it that anything the americans have done wrong is fine because other countries have done the same stuff.

Put a link in your sig about the Russians if you like. I know that countries have done many horrible things but all those countries are disliked and hated, the Americans do just as many bad things and are beloved world wide?

Does not make sense to me. O and please remember i have no problem with American people or products but i do have a serious problem with the governments that have run America and i am hoping Obama is different.

Wizard how many innocent people have the Americans killed? you have heard of Guantanamo bay the worst run prison in the world, i doubt the prisoners in their have many rights.

You say the russians are offering crappy weapons, the Americans are offering the most advanced weapons which is far worse than crappy weapons if you ask me. Just because i have a Russian article linked does not mean i support russia. It is funny though that anything said about America which puts them in a bad light stirs such emotion but had my sig been about Russia nobody would even care. No the Americans could not do what that article claims, come on we all know what the americans can do but most people choose to believe they are the good guys and can do no wrong even when they drops nuke or slaughter the innocent. O that is war when the US does it.
 
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I still don't think USA would give away WMD's to anyone.
Why?
I don't see the point.

Especially to France!
 
Oy vey... These types of willy waving contests become so because because everyone will try to support the government they think is better. Russia is neither better nor worse than America - just as any major (even minor) government is not all good (or all bad). Having said that, w1z4rd's wise words of wisdom are about as hypocritical as any pro-Russia fanatic - any day.

Having said that - I prefer Russia to America because of the culture and history (yes yes I know, it was a bloody history - then again, which country doesn't have one?) and not particularly out of any romantic notion of "good cop, bad cop". As for Chechnya - those bastards deserve even more of a smackdown. Those guys are proper, old-school "liberation fighters", one example being of a guy who threw a bomb in a church, laughed and went to eat a burger afterwards.

Your view on the Chechnyan situation is like ChatJ's view on the dead hijacker on another thread on this forum - he was killed, but I can't be happy at the loss of life.
 
killadoob said:
So everything in my sig is wrong?

I beg to differ, i put that in my sig because it pretty much the truth, how can you prove the Americans never offered france a nuclear bomb, as i recall they dropped a couple. Who are you to say America would never offer the french a nuclear bomb and then maybe you should carry on and say the Americans would never have dropped a nuke, THEY DID so why is it so hard to believe they would offer another country a bomb?

Bigoted you say, i think you guys are so freakin pro america you cannot believe anything bad about them.

Please in my sig tell what is wrong other than what you believe to be wrong. They dropped a bomb they could very well have offered a bomb.

Just because something does not come out of America does not make any less true, So nothing about America is true unless it comes from America?
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I dont hate any country. I hate a lot of their governments, but the people in all those countries are cool.

EVERY COUNTRY HAS MADE MISTAKES KILLA... and as far as America goes, theyre on the light side.

Instead of going after countries that do way worse to their own people and to other countries and other peoples, you concentrate on America. You should look at that because you do have a problem ....


Do I like the American government? HELL NO! George Bush was worst president America ever had but I do have hope with Obama.

America did wrong an evil. Fking orsm man.. you figure that out by yourself? However, Russian has done MORE wrong and evil, China has done more wrong and evil, North Korea has done more wrong and evil... yet you have this hard on for Americans? Paaalease dude.. get some perspective.

Only the idiot world concentrates on the smaller things when there are bigger issues afoot.

Its kinda like you supporting the South African name changes where that money can be better spent on fighting crime. Like our ANC government, you lack the bigger picture perspective.

I dont mind the data you quoted and I really hope Bush is held accountable for his crimes against humanity, but personally, (and knowing international politics).. I prefer to concentrate on the real big evils in this world.

You are clearly polarized by your opinion on America, and you are quoting from the siffest possible place so basically you have gone fanatical. Reason and logic are no longer your friends... so I am pretty sure nothing I say will have the slightest impact on how you deal with this situation.

I just felt the need to share my opinion :D
 
smokey said:
w1z4rd's wise words of wisdom are about as hypocritical as any pro-Russia fanatic - any day.

Having said that - I prefer Russia to America because of the culture and history (yes yes I know, it was a bloody history - then again, which country doesn't have one?) and not particularly out of any romantic notion of "good cop, bad cop". As for Chechnya - those bastards deserve even more of a smackdown. Those guys are proper, old-school "liberation fighters", one example being of a guy who threw a bomb in a church, laughed and went to eat a burger afterwards.

Your view on the Chechnyan situation is like ChatJ's view on the dead hijacker on another thread on this forum - he was killed, but I can't be happy at the loss of life.
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shame. A russian apologist? lol.
 
GDI the French where getting their asses handed to them and the US was basically funding the war.

So their mentality back then was drop a nuke and they will surrender which worked and would have worked had the french agreed and dropped it but they knew dropping a nuke was wrong in some ways.

I love how you say we must concentrate on the big evils in the world and then tell me to leave America alone as if they are angels.
Maybe go and see what they have done to Iraq a country that was doing fine, Saddam was the only guy who keep control of the country even if the way he did it was not all that nice, now you have 2 or 3 different factions fighting for power and Iraq will never recover, so you don't think destroying a country is evil wizard? O i forgot it's the Americans destroying Iraq so it's fine because there are terrorists and nuclear bombs there.
 
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Alan said:
Which is sometimes welcome, sometimes not :p

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Mostly not :D but I dont care. I dont pusy foot around truth. I dont deal in absolutes so I can be convinced to change my mind with reason and logic.

But take an argument like smokey`s.. he doesnt seem to know how the whole Chechnyan thing started and how the FSB *kof* sorry wait *kof* a former FSB agent (who just so happened to be working for the Chechnyans at the time).. was involved in the Moscow apartment bombings.

I swear, Putin pulled a page right out of Hitlers book for that one. Brilliant piece of propaganda.. pity so many Russians and Chechnyans ended up in pieces.

But hey.. its easier to hate America. So .. Go team Russia! Our moral beacons of shiny hope.

Man I could go on about the Russian government for hours. How they used their energy to blackmail countries like Ukraine and Russia, or how they launched massive cyber attacks on Lithiuania and Estonia (because they wouldnt tow the Kremlins line). Or how about trying to cause economic collapse in Poland? Or how about screwing over all the large corporations in Russia.. and letting the FSB controlled Gazprom take over energy in Russia.

Putin is loving it all the way to the bank!

I love the Russian people, they just seem to always choose such losers as leaders.
 
As far as America goes, they're on the light side?!?!

Okay - now your credibility is shot. If you think all America has done wrong is since Bush came to power... then you are wearing Super-Dooper Rose Tinted Glasses mate. They have never been altruistic - ever.

Also, I'm not a Russian apologist... though I guess my view on the Chechnyans is the same as my views on the death penalty - bleeding heart liberals will scream and cry and I'll just roll my eyes...
 
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w1z4rd said:
Mostly not :D but I dont care. I dont pusy foot around truth. I dont deal in absolutes so I can be convinced to change my mind with reason and logic.

But take an argument like smokey`s.. he doesnt seem to know how the whole Chechnyan thing started and how the FSB *kof* sorry wait *kof* a former FSB agent (who just so happened to be working for the Chechnyans at the time).. was involved in the Moscow apartment bombings.

I swear, Putin pulled a page right out of Hitlers book for that one. Brilliant piece of propaganda.. pity so many Russians and Chechnyans ended up in pieces.

But hey.. its easier to hate America. So .. Go team Russia! Our moral beacons of shiny hope.

Man I could go on about the Russian government for hours. How they used their energy to blackmail countries like Ukraine and Russia, or how they launched massive cyber attacks on Lithiuania and Estonia (because they wouldnt tow the Kremlins line). Or how about trying to cause economic collapse in Poland? Or how about screwing over all the large corporations in Russia.. and letting the FSB controlled Gazprom take over energy in Russia.

Putin is loving it all the way to the bank!

I love the Russian people, they just seem to always choose such losers as leaders.
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Wait - you really think that I don't know that? The mere fact that he used the Chechnyan situation in a bout of opportunism is nothing new. I hardly think of anyone as being altruistic.

I never said I prefer the Russian government, just the Russian people (who in my limited experience are more fun and much more crazy than Americans) are who I prefer.
 
w1z4rd said:
I dont hate any country. I hate a lot of their governments, but the people in all those countries are cool.


I prefer to concentrate on the real big evils in this world.


I just felt the need to share my opinion :D
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Here you say concentrate on the big evils so i am assuming the US is exempt from your big evils?

I do not support russia nor America but it seems the Americans are looked upon as Angels who do no wrong.
 
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