reneg8or
Well-Known Member
My situation requires comparison between these vehicles:
1. LC200 4.5 V8 D4D vs LC200 4.7 V8 Petrol
2. Prado 3.0 D4D vs V6 4.0 Petrol
Questions:
1. What is the real-world difference in fuel consumption for a) city b) rural & tweespoor and c) open road driving? I drive at 100 - 110km/h usually and do so with circumspection.
2. D4D-engines: will the use of 500ppm when visiting neighbouring countries void TSA's warranty?
3. Does anyone here have personal experience with the above and, if so, can you please educate me?
Comment:
1. I am not going into the TSO/2SO debate, other than saying that it has worked for engines up to 2007 but two-stroke oil will most certainly damage your vehicle's DPF and catalytic converter as well as the injectors. Use it on your Merc 300D but avoid costly repairs on post-2007 engines, especially CRD ones. This has been throughly researched over two years and the answer is that no additives will improve fuel quality and 50ppm especially comes with additives in the correct ratio from the pump. Don't overdose by adding yet more stuff. Debate closed - look on the internet for extensive information.
2. Sulphur is not a lubricant. 50ppm only has less lubricity than 500ppm because the process of removing the sulphur will also deduct from the fuel's lubricity. This is corrected by by the refineries and additives will only upset the balance. Comment closed.
The questions above were posed with the hope that experienced users will respond. Comments were only added because my topic is almost guaranteed to elicit the unrelated 2SO/sulphur debate.
The risk of voiding a warranty by using incorrect fuel is real and no 50ppm is available elsewhere in Africa; only in SA. If buying a Diesel vehicle does not offer clear advantages, petrol will be better. In the past, this may have been different and I have owned and driven reliable, economical Diesel-engined cars myself. Right now, Diesel technology is much more refined, tolerances are small and it will be easier for something to go wrong. Toyota D4D has seen much injector problems, but some of it may have been caused by owners following the tradition of adding all sorts of magic potions.
Towing a 15-foot caravan is a possibility.
Ride comfort: is the new Prado comfortable also on the middle row of seats? The third row is irrelevant in my application. I have heard much about inferior trim quality. Is teh ride much worse than the TLC200?
A thought: IF the Prado V6 rides well, an option would be to fit the RGM supercharger upping power to 330-odd kW and 500 Nm, for around R90k. As it also has a rear diff lock unlike the 200 series and as it also is lighter an narrower than the big Cruiser, it could make for a better expedition vehicle as it also has 150l fuel tank(s).
The vehicle will be used in the city sometimes, but mostly good tar roads in rural areas but with perhaps 10 - 20% of total mileage spent on tweespoor with middelmannetjies when we visit the Richtersveld, Kaokoland, Botswana, Lesotho and Moz when on holiday.
We need this:
* Full-size spare wheel an absolute must.
* Low range
* At least central diff-lock or LSD (limited-slip differential)
* Hopefully also a rear diff-lock.
* Reliability
* A reasonably comfortable ride. (Merc's G350 would have been ideal were it not for the flat glass surfaces that reflect during night driving, same as Defender. And it is expensive, but well engineered, built by hand and should last me thirty years.)
Any advice from experienced forum members please............?? Thanks!
1. LC200 4.5 V8 D4D vs LC200 4.7 V8 Petrol
2. Prado 3.0 D4D vs V6 4.0 Petrol
Questions:
1. What is the real-world difference in fuel consumption for a) city b) rural & tweespoor and c) open road driving? I drive at 100 - 110km/h usually and do so with circumspection.
2. D4D-engines: will the use of 500ppm when visiting neighbouring countries void TSA's warranty?
3. Does anyone here have personal experience with the above and, if so, can you please educate me?
Comment:
1. I am not going into the TSO/2SO debate, other than saying that it has worked for engines up to 2007 but two-stroke oil will most certainly damage your vehicle's DPF and catalytic converter as well as the injectors. Use it on your Merc 300D but avoid costly repairs on post-2007 engines, especially CRD ones. This has been throughly researched over two years and the answer is that no additives will improve fuel quality and 50ppm especially comes with additives in the correct ratio from the pump. Don't overdose by adding yet more stuff. Debate closed - look on the internet for extensive information.
2. Sulphur is not a lubricant. 50ppm only has less lubricity than 500ppm because the process of removing the sulphur will also deduct from the fuel's lubricity. This is corrected by by the refineries and additives will only upset the balance. Comment closed.
The questions above were posed with the hope that experienced users will respond. Comments were only added because my topic is almost guaranteed to elicit the unrelated 2SO/sulphur debate.
The risk of voiding a warranty by using incorrect fuel is real and no 50ppm is available elsewhere in Africa; only in SA. If buying a Diesel vehicle does not offer clear advantages, petrol will be better. In the past, this may have been different and I have owned and driven reliable, economical Diesel-engined cars myself. Right now, Diesel technology is much more refined, tolerances are small and it will be easier for something to go wrong. Toyota D4D has seen much injector problems, but some of it may have been caused by owners following the tradition of adding all sorts of magic potions.
Towing a 15-foot caravan is a possibility.
Ride comfort: is the new Prado comfortable also on the middle row of seats? The third row is irrelevant in my application. I have heard much about inferior trim quality. Is teh ride much worse than the TLC200?
A thought: IF the Prado V6 rides well, an option would be to fit the RGM supercharger upping power to 330-odd kW and 500 Nm, for around R90k. As it also has a rear diff lock unlike the 200 series and as it also is lighter an narrower than the big Cruiser, it could make for a better expedition vehicle as it also has 150l fuel tank(s).
The vehicle will be used in the city sometimes, but mostly good tar roads in rural areas but with perhaps 10 - 20% of total mileage spent on tweespoor with middelmannetjies when we visit the Richtersveld, Kaokoland, Botswana, Lesotho and Moz when on holiday.
We need this:
* Full-size spare wheel an absolute must.
* Low range
* At least central diff-lock or LSD (limited-slip differential)
* Hopefully also a rear diff-lock.
* Reliability
* A reasonably comfortable ride. (Merc's G350 would have been ideal were it not for the flat glass surfaces that reflect during night driving, same as Defender. And it is expensive, but well engineered, built by hand and should last me thirty years.)
Any advice from experienced forum members please............?? Thanks!
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