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nadeem_k said:
http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/...ireless-tv.jsp

But on the LG SA site it doesnt mention about being able to watch you tube or get movies live online
In just says there is a wireless link

Sport is 50% of my viewing...

Its 1.sport, 2.gaming and everything else and maybe some 3.movies
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Bingo.

My friend, please trust me and look at the PS42C430. There are a lot of plasma haters on this forum. I guarantee you will walk out with it when you compare it to 32" entry LCDs you mentioned that are trying to display SD TV and sport. ;)

The plasma will be superior for any less than HD feed, like ripped movies and series etc. For HD feeds, you will be blown away at the depth of blacks and naturalness of colours.
 
PostmanPot said:
The LA32C530 would be my pick. It's the most popular and most documented of those TVs.

However don't not include plasma because of its previous cons which you perhaps still thought applied today. The PS42C430 is the best deal on a TV these days. It's amazing quality and size you get for your buck, much better than any entry level LCD you mentioned.
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Cats have it for R5800 (http://www.catsdigital.co.za/samsung-ps42c430-42-plasma-tv.html)

OP, what is your budget?
 
Lupus said:
Dude seriously? Do you see the initialisim LCD and your brain automatically goes, troll my plasma, must propagate my plasma.
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It's frustrating, isn't it?

Postman ..

If they ASK about plasma, then SPEAK about it.
If they don't, then stay away.

Believe it or not, others do the see disadvantanges of plasma screen and base their choice on what they need.
 
PostmanPot said:
The LA32C530 would be my pick. It's the most popular and most documented of those TVs.

However don't not include plasma because of its previous cons which you perhaps still thought applied today. The PS42C430 is the best deal on a TV these days. It's amazing quality and size you get for your buck, much better than any entry level LCD you mentioned.
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Which the LG 32C530 is not a mid range LCD, for a 32" it is pretty darn good, also 50% of his viewing is sport? On that LG he would have little to no problems with it, where as the other things like gaming he'd have a problem with on the plasma, as yes you may not have suffered IR but I've seen it with far more expensive plasma's then you have, and read about it on the websites. There are even websites dedicated to it, why make up websites for it? Is it the LCD conspiracy?

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Break-in,_burn-in,_and_image_retention

Let the OP go out and make up his own mind, stop punting this Plasma everywhere you see someone asking about LCD's if they said oh I don't know look guys I'm undecided between this LCD and this Plasma, go for it, jump in with all your delight and convince the guy, but my sack if the dude is asking about a set of LCD's probably cause of budget to, then butt in where it's relevant. Especially since you are telling him to get a 42" for a viewing distance of 2.5meters.

To Dolby, it's incredibly frustrating, it's like the dude has never encountered an LCD out of 2007 or something...
 
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Dolby said:
It's frustrating, isn't it?

Postman ..

If they ASK about plasma, then SPEAK about it.
If they don't, then stay away.

Believe it or not, others do the see disadvantanges of plasma screen and base their choice on what they need.
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It's different when they exclude plasma from their question based on their misunderstanding of current plasma based on the past cons of plasma. That's clearly the case if you read and comprehend properly.
 
There is no past cons of plasma, what the OP is concerned about is still 90% the truth, there is still IR/Burn In/Ghosting, it still does use more power even if it is slightly and yes it is still older technology then LCD.
 
Lupus said:
Which the LG 32C530 is not a mid range LCD, for a 32" it is pretty darn good, also 50% of his viewing is sport? On that LG he would have little to no problems with it, where as the other things like gaming he'd have a problem with on the plasma, as yes you may not have suffered IR but I've seen it with far more expensive plasma's then you have, and read about it on the websites. There are even websites dedicated to it, why make up websites for it? Is it the LCD conspiracy?

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Break-in,_burn-in,_and_image_retention

Let the OP go out and make up his own mind, stop punting this Plasma everywhere you see someone asking about LCD's if they said oh I don't know look guys I'm undecided between this LCD and this Plasma, go for it, jump in with all your delight and convince the guy, but my sack if the dude is asking about a set of LCD's probably cause of budget to, then butt in where it's relevant. Especially since you are telling him to get a 42" for a viewing distance of 2.5meters.

To Dolby, it's incredibly frustrating, it's like the dude has never encountered an LCD out of 2007 or something...
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Like I said, no one here has reported IR on the PS42C430. In my own case I have provided proof.

Which begs the question, what's so bad about IR which goes away after a few minutes, if you are getting a superior experience?

It is my prerogative to punt what ever I want to, so long as I can justify it then it's not trolling, as much as you want to think it is.

SD TV viewing, SD content viewing, 99% HD gaming, 50% sport viewing... This is beginning to scream of plasma.

I'm pretty confident after the OP tests the TVs out, we'll have another plasmaboi on our side. Same like everyone else who went out and tested.

If you cannot handle the advice I give which I give out of genuine interest in giving them the best possible experience, then please, feel free to add me to your ignore list. :)
 
Lupus said:
There is no past cons of plasma, what the OP is concerned about is still 90% the truth, there is still IR/Burn In/Ghosting, it still does use more power even if it is slightly and yes it is still older technology then LCD.
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No, ghosting is the problem that plagues LCDs which is why people buy plasmas. :)

Couldn't care less if it's slightly older - it's a moot point. The 42" plasma will give the best experience out of those TVs, and that is what matters.

OP, don't forget that cut scenes and cinematics constitute as a "break" for the plasma cells displaying static images which leads to IR.

Either way, plasma owners on this very forum say they game for hours on end with no IR whatsoever. I guess they are also Samsung employees with ulterior motives.
 
Personally if I had a plasma and it did have IR I'd also be like oh that it's fine, it goes away, because after spending R6k on something I'm not going to badmouth it, I've seen it personally on a few sets and sometimes it does go away after a few minutes and sometimes they've got to use pixelshift or whatever the name is.
We had about 6 plasmas here at work playing sport and various other channels, it was brilliant to see the cricket scores after changing to watch Rugby etc... The Plasmas are gone and we switched over to LCD's and lo and behold it was like night and day, the IR was gone and oh my look the SD TV quality isn't that bad after all, neither is the motion issue, but it is so nice to not see the previous games scores on the current game. You have been lucky or you spent 100 hours keeping it at a lower contrast, and honestly if you were doing it out of the interest of the OP's you'd actually read their bloody requests... He sits at 2.5m from the TV, 42" is too big for this.
 
PostmanPot said:
No, ghosting is the problem that plagues LCDs which is why people buy plasmas. :)

Couldn't care less if it's slightly older - it's a moot point. The 42" plasma will give the best experience out of those TVs, and that is what matters.

OP, don't forget that cut scenes and cinematics constitute as a "break" for the plasma cells displaying static images which leads to IR.

Either way, plasma owners on this very forum say they game for hours on end with no IR whatsoever. I guess they are also Samsung employees with ulterior motives.
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Actually ghosting applies to both LCD's and Plasmas, the reason why it occurs on plasma's is due to the pixels not being able to shift quickly enough or suffering from a little retention, ghosting on LCD's occur when the response time cannot refresh the pixels fast enough, which has been fixed since oh I don't know around 2007 when screens came out with Response times of under 8ms.
Do you actually read links people put on here? Or does your brain turn off when you are proven wrong, you know the link I put up abou Break in, burn in and IR? It is quite an interesting read and only 6 months old?

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Break-in,_burn-in,_and_image_retention

I actually not going to argue with you anymore, the old saying seems to hold true in this case.
 
The only problem I could foresee with the Sammy plasma is that it only has 2 HDMI inputs. I am using all four of mine at the moment...

Here is a review of the Sony

Here is a review of the Samsung

That website doesn't have a review for that model of LG, but they do of the lower end LD450. Not sure how much thats gonna help you though :p

That website is not pro-LCD or pro-Plasma, they tell it like it is. But its all down to personal preference at the end of the day :)

I can't find any reviews for the others, but how much value you want to place in a review is up to you,

I have the ex400, and I am happy with it. But I honestly don't have any experience with the other two LCD's or the Sammy plasma which was suggested by Postman.
 
Lupus said:
Personally if I had a plasma and it did have IR I'd also be like oh that it's fine, it goes away, because after spending R6k on something I'm not going to badmouth it, I've seen it personally on a few sets and sometimes it does go away after a few minutes and sometimes they've got to use pixelshift or whatever the name is.
We had about 6 plasmas here at work playing sport and various other channels, it was brilliant to see the cricket scores after changing to watch Rugby etc... The Plasmas are gone and we switched over to LCD's and lo and behold it was like night and day, the IR was gone and oh my look the SD TV quality isn't that bad after all, neither is the motion issue, but it is so nice to not see the previous games scores on the current game. You have been lucky or you spent 100 hours keeping it at a lower contrast, and honestly if you were doing it out of the interest of the OP's you'd actually read their bloody requests... He sits at 2.5m from the TV, 42" is too big for this.
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Well I have plasma, and I have no IR. If I had IR, I wouldn't try to hide it just because I spent R6500 on it. Only I would have to live with the somewhat guilty conscience.

Which model plasmas did your work have, and how old? Don't works have brighter than usual lit rooms without curtains and such, which meant they were running at dangerously high brightness/contrast? Perhaps who ever advised you should have recommended LCD because of the bright nature of offices.

You might find the SD quality acceptable. But when you place a entry LCD and entry plasma next to each other, the difference is night and day. When you want the best, you get plasma.

If I have been lucky, then so have the hordes of PS42C430 owners. It must have a little fairy dust inside it. Even more reason to get it.

42" is too big for 2.5m viewing distance?! LOL, nonsense. 2.5m is a common viewing distance. People on this forum use 42" LCDs as PC monitors! Oh wait, they must be sitting more than 2.5m away, since 2.5m is too close for 42"... How on Earth did you come to this realisation?
 
Lupus said:
Actually ghosting applies to both LCD's and Plasmas, the reason why it occurs on plasma's is due to the pixels not being able to shift quickly enough or suffering from a little retention, ghosting on LCD's occur when the response time cannot refresh the pixels fast enough, which has been fixed since oh I don't know around 2007 when screens came out with Response times of under 8ms.
Do you actually read links people put on here? Or does your brain turn off when you are proven wrong, you know the link I put up abou Break in, burn in and IR? It is quite an interesting read and only 6 months old?

http://samsungplasmatvfaq.com/index.php/Break-in,_burn-in,_and_image_retention

I actually not going to argue with you anymore, the old saying seems to hold true in this case.
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Actually I read that link a few months ago when I first got my plasma, thanks.

I have no ghosting on my plasma. Plasma handles ghosting better because of its faster response time. And the LCDs in the same price range, which are 60Hz, have horrible motion blur when it comes to sport. Plasmas do not have motion blur. At least the one I recommend. :)

Farewell! :)
 
Lupus ... thank you ; someone else that understands.

I've also mentioned that after spending R6,000.00 - you're not really going to badmouth the product and, more than likely, play it down. I find it strange how NO ONE on MyBB have had issues - yet EVERY review seems to make reference to it. Also, if there was NO issue, the manufacturers themselves wouldn't warn and have FAQ dedicated to them.

I still would be hesitant to play Xbox 360 on my plasma - especially for the first few months. My 2.5 year old plasma (R12,000.00) did have IR even though people told me, 'don't worry, dude ... thing of the past! Only effected 1st generation!'
 
Dolby said:
Lupus ... thank you ; someone else that understands.

I've also mentioned that after spending R6,000.00 - you're not really going to badmouth the product and, more than likely, play it down. I find it strange how NO ONE on MyBB have had issues - yet EVERY review seems to make reference to it. Also, if there was NO issue, the manufacturers themselves wouldn't warn and have FAQ dedicated to them.

I still would be hesitant to play Xbox 360 on my plasma - especially for the first few months. My 2.5 year old plasma (R12,000.00) did have IR even though people told me, 'don't worry, dude ... thing of the past! Only effected 1st generation!'
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So everyone with a newer plasma on MyBb are liars hiding their secrets... Bold accusation, Dobly.

I used to run image sweeper every 2 hours. That was for the first 20 or so hours. I then realised I was not getting any IR whatsoever, so there was no point in running image sweeper. Since the first SA vs In test match, I've not run image sweeper once. And that's 10+ hours every day for 5 days with the opaque info bar at the bottom.

I'm not so sure every review makes reference to IR in the way you would want it to. They are saying the same thing as Samsung, i.e. that it is still a possibility.

Isn't your old plasma reaching 3.5 years now? Which people told you "don't worry, dude, IR is a thing of the past"? IR was definitely much more of an issue then, and it seems you've been scarred for life.
 
What about comparing these two?

Samsung LCD(LED) UA32C4000 – R4989
Resolution 1,366 x 768
Or
Samsung LCD LA32C530 – R4499
Resolution: 1080p pixel resolution (1920 x 1080)
 
Lupus said:
There is no past cons of plasma, what the OP is concerned about is still 90% the truth, there is still IR/Burn In/Ghosting, it still does use more power even if it is slightly and yes it is still older technology then LCD.
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very odd considering I have the PS42C431 and dont have any problems....

you say PP is bad with Plasma pushing... You people are just as bad with Plasma bashing

ai
 
C'mon ... saying 'both have pros and cons' or 'depends on the usuage and user'

and

'plasma rules and kills everything at three times the price' are very different and 'nothing has ever touched my plasma!'

Are very different :/
 
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