Leaving SA for good

Ghost29 said:
I think the real issue in this country is violent crime. That is what I will be running from. If something ever happened to my family because I chose to stay here, I would blame myself. They deserve better. Yes, crime is everywhere in the world, but nowhere near the levels of SA, nor with such blatant disregard for the humanity of others.

And for those saying that crime is exaggerated by the media or isolated: having had my mother stabbed in Rondebosch, having witnessed two murders, one in Retreat the other in Bergvliet, currently testifying as a witness in the latter case which has finally come to court three years later. I think I am quite justified in my position. I have friends who have also faced similar experiences in their lives. Please tell me now that I am unjustified in leaving.
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Then leave cause no one here is holding you back. After all it's your choice to do whatever makes you happy.
 
I find it very interesting to see the reasons why people want to leave SA and I understand where they are coming from. I would leave SA but for a different reason and yes I will definitely want to come back.
Crime and unfairness is everywhere and when one gets to encounter it on too many occasions and can't find any solutions then moving towards a better place is what one must do to make things better for oneself.
 
I moved from Joburg to Cape Town a few years ago, and that was traumatic enough. Don't think I have it in me to leave the country. :o
 
LancelotSA said:
Your problem is that the pessimistic side of you gets fed a lot more often as a result of most of the people you come in contact with probably having similar views on the future of this country (and yes, I mean us whites). And this is not in direct reference to your specific friends and acquaintances but a general one. I hear the moans, groans and gripes daily myself. My friends know better than to spew pessimism at me but work colleagues and acquaintances don't.

I personally have no desire and no intention of emigrating (actually I should use some emotional terminology like those arguing from the "other side" are likely to do and call it running).

I am interested in finding out how you can be more confident about your future in Canada? Have you lived there for an extended period before?
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No I haven't. By more confident, I mean "less chance to turn into a Nigeria or Zimbabwe" so all I have to focus on is pushing myself to be better and worry less on whether it is all in vain cos my savings/lifestyle/plans will be destroyed by some poorly educated politician...
 
boramk said:
that.

Canada's demographics are fast changing. The Chinese and Indian are known to work extremely hard (sorry to bring race into this) and outsource their white counterparts because they are willing to put in that much extra hours. I know its a generalisation, but it happens often enough to be fact. Working your way from the bottom up, will not be easy, and I don't see why you should leave if you have a higher up job here.

South Africa was supposed to go "down the drain" since the '80s. Really now, you should have faith in your country.
If you are pessimistic, go travel. It will open your mind to how the other side of the world is like, the good and bad. You'll realise how much you actually are so accustomed to this place, and eventually how much you love it and its people.

I was in Korea for a good four months, GOD knows how much I missed SA..
Many people who have left to the UK, Australia are always home sick.

If you have easy access to Canada, but have a great job here, use logic: only leave IF things go badly. But I'll bet you my savings it won't.
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I suspect as much. I was in Vancouver for 1 month in Dec and the lack of sunlight really got to me. I've never really had a country of my own (I wasn't born in SA, but I've spent the last 22 years here) so I'm used to moving around and starting from scratch. SA will be the 4th country I've moved to in my life...

I'd like to spare my kids (when I have them) this sort of trauma.
 
nkpza said:
I suspect as much. I was in Vancouver for 1 month in Dec and the lack of sunlight really got to me. I've never really had a country of my own (I wasn't born in SA, but I've spent the last 22 years here) so I'm used to moving around and starting from scratch. SA will be the 4th country I've moved to in my life...

I'd like to spare my kids (when I have them) this sort of trauma.
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I would be interested in getting an idea of how old you are. The reason is that you have lived in four countries but spent 22 years in SA.... this country must have some allure...
 
LancelotSA said:
I would be interested in getting an idea of how old you are. The reason is that you have lived in four countries but spent 22 years in SA.... this country must have some allure...
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Didn't really have a choice due to economic circumstances and SA was the most stable country around despite the apartheid shyte which meant I had to move to the homelands and attend schools there. I'm 37 at the moment.
 
BobsLawnService said:
The country is gorgeous, the ruling party and the criminals not so much.
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Agreed. I feel they are yelling from the rooftops that they will never screw up SA like other African countries because they saved it with so much struggle and they are aware that the whole world is watching while trying their best to do whatever will ensure they remain in the money and power. I suppose this is part of the price of living in a developing country.
 
I am currently in Uk,but got no emotion for the place,still feel Sa is home and the damn pound is weak ,I would be an millionaire by now if it was 20 to Rand.I am currently doing contract work in investment banks,so pay is quite good and quite a large market so there are options.My plan is to work in uk for like 9 months a year abut spend the summer in Sa and try to get something ticking over while I am in Sa for if I do or dont come home.Got to do what is best for you and Uk aint such a bad place until you decide to have kids
 
LancelotSA said:
I am interested in finding out how you can be more confident about your future in Canada? Have you lived there for an extended period before?
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A good point. Their summers are short and winters much colder and longer than ours. Unless you have spent time through the bleaker conditions in a place you plan to call home, you are potentially setting yourself up for disaster. Conditions in Canada are quite different to SA. It looks like a nice country and true Canadians also seem to be great. I wouldn't mind a visit but definitely in high summer.
 
McT said:
A good point. Their summers are short and winters much colder and longer than ours. Unless you have spent time through the bleaker conditions in a place you plan to call home, you are potentially setting yourself up for disaster. Conditions in Canada are quite different to SA. It looks like a nice country and true Canadians also seem to be great. I wouldn't mind a visit but definitely in high summer.
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And one the op seems to be aware of - http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthr...-SA-for-good?p=4488430&viewfull=1#post4488430 :)
 
jambai said:
I am currently in Uk,but got no emotion for the place,still feel Sa is home and the damn pound is weak ,I would be an millionaire by now if it was 20 to Rand.I am currently doing contract work in investment banks,so pay is quite good and quite a large market so there are options.My plan is to work in uk for like 9 months a year abut spend the summer in Sa and try to get something ticking over while I am in Sa for if I do or dont come home.Got to do what is best for you and Uk aint such a bad place until you decide to have kids
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Speaking of which, how is the job market for IT over in the UK?
 
nothing really stops one from working elsewhere for a while and then returning and working somewhere else. if you have enough capital and investments to retire, then settle down somewhere.
 
So, after much discussion, thinking and planning...

I'm out of SA in the next few hours. Cheers all.
 
Why do people see leaving SA permanently as the only option. Millions of Indians/Chinese work abroad end up coming going back once they retire or after making enough money. My parents emigrated from India 19 years ago but they have always taken me back every holiday and kept me very close to the culture. Similarly I would want the same for my kids. Moving to another country doesnt mean you have to severe all ties with SA. Make a ton of money,come back and live like a king!
 
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