ToxicBunny
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If anything and China and Russia teamed up, I'd be more worried about the "western" nations losing tbh...
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OrbitalDawn
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Nuclear or conventional war? Conventional war - no way. China have no force projection. They have a huuuuge army, but can't do anything with it. In terms of sophisticated weaponry they're outgunned.
ToxicBunny
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In terms of a guerrilla war I would think the numbers game would be important, not necessarily the technology...
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Just like massed armies became obsolete after the tank was invented at the end of WW1?
Or how the gun on a fighter plane was replaced by missiles after the Korean War?
The conventional war is far from over. Its just changing.
OrbitalDawn
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That's my point about force projection. How would they get that massive amount of soldiers somewhere far away, and keep supply lines open etc.?
Superior technology would scupper their plans before they've even reached the battlefield.
But before we even get there - China cares even less than Russia about what happens to people elsewhere. They'd just wait for the dust to settle and cash in on the aftermath.
Not a chance. Against the US alone, maybe a small chance. But NATO would **** their **** up entirely. France and the UK might be shadows of what they once were, but they still pack a punch. Same for Germany, massively crippled after their last little scuffle with the rest of the world, but still extremely well equipped and trained.
Russia is rolling with mostly old Soviet era equipment and China has huge numbers of soldiers but their effectiveness is not that great. That's why Russia's only chance would be nuclear, they still have the most nukes in the world. Once again, old Soviet stuff. In any conventional war they'd be stuffed. This isn't like the days of Stalingrad where they could pump out however many hundred planes a day, most of their industrial output collapsed together with communism.
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You are trying try related a weapon to a way of warfare. Let me use a "just like":
Just like the days of line infantry are over.
ToxicBunny
Oi! Leave me out of this...
Totally true on that front..
If anything (and my vague opinion were even vaguely right) I would see China, Russia and Nato teaming up before they ended up on opposite sides of the fight.. if the cause of the fight was the Middle East...
ToxicBunny
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Russia have been modernising their military for quite some time just btw... yes they have Soviet Era equipment, but they have a fair chunk of nice new toys as well.
Nanfeishen
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Those have to be assumptions, because the world just doesnt know.
China has not been involved in any major conflicts for some time, and therefore while their military capabilites may be assumed they connot be confirmed.
Japster
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I'm just wondering what ISIS whole plan is with Lebanon, is it just to get the refugees or do they have the same idea with Lebanon that they had with Syria and if they do have the same idea, where does this end. If by some means they can destabilize Lebanon to the same extent as Syria, are they going to move to the next country? Are we seeing the start of the whole middle east going to war with their own. Excluding the whole Muslim/Jewish situation, as this is mostly Muslim vs Muslim as I understand it.
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[video=youtube;wb6IiSUxpgw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw&list=PL696E8BE063C9BF33[/video]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb6IiSUxpgw&list=PL696E8BE063C9BF33
I think this video can give insights of ISIS's plans
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
ISIS wants to establish a global caliphate. Any and all countries/peoples are their target.
ToxicBunny
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Yeah, thats my understanding as well. I do wonder how much more brutal they will get when they get more territory and start getting taken on by some of the bigger more well equipped armies out there though.
Fulcrum29
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China needs allies to command (or in truth streamline their war efforts), hence their little experience in modern warfare, but don't underestimate them, with the right logistics and leadership they will be a force to be reckoned with.
Russia is a old combat horse, and yes they do have old equipment which they keep in service amongst the latest in warfare machines and upgrades. Any conventional war today with Russia will be prolonged and concluded on agreed terms to end the war, except in their own territory. The rebels in Ukraine are playing with old toys thrown out of the cot, near black market goods. The Russian Achilles' Heel is their navy, crippled funding, and their airforce probably one of the best.
I don't see any country go beyond conventional warfare, except in sudden death, the public fallout will be much worse for the aggressor. Be scared if such weapons falls into capable terrorist hands.
Much can change over time, the opponent you one feared may become your greatest ally...
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OrbitalDawn
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China has never really seemed interested in conquest to me. They much prefer to let others do the fighting and then they can swoop in and use their massive capital to get at the resources.
Hezbollah and ISIS are on the opposite end of the extremist spectrum. Hezbollah is fighting with Assad and ISIS is fighting against him. Also, one is Shia, one is Sunni...
LazyLion
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SAUDI GIVES LEBANON ARMY $1 BN: EX-PM SAAD HARIRI
Saudi Arabia has provided Lebanon's army, battling jihadists on the Syrian border, with one billion dollars to strengthen security, former Lebanese primier Saad Hariri told reporters in Jeddah on Wednesday.
King Abdullah "has informed me of his generous decision to provide the Lebanese army and national security (force) with one billion dollars to strengthen its capabilities to preserve Lebanon's security," Hariri told reporters in Jeddah.
Speaking from King Abdullah's palace in the Saudi Red Sea city of Jeddah, Lebanon's Sunni community's most prominent political representative added that "we have received this aid."
Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 06 Aug 2014 02:30
Saudi Arabia has provided Lebanon's army, battling jihadists on the Syrian border, with one billion dollars to strengthen security, former Lebanese primier Saad Hariri told reporters in Jeddah on Wednesday.
King Abdullah "has informed me of his generous decision to provide the Lebanese army and national security (force) with one billion dollars to strengthen its capabilities to preserve Lebanon's security," Hariri told reporters in Jeddah.
Speaking from King Abdullah's palace in the Saudi Red Sea city of Jeddah, Lebanon's Sunni community's most prominent political representative added that "we have received this aid."
Source : Sapa-AFP /mjs
Date : 06 Aug 2014 02:30
Fulcrum29
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China is genius, this strategy had been working since their early days in trade, it only grew into a massive industry today, the masters of dumping on their enemies and allies.