LED vs Plasma

Cool. I've been put off going into stores as, as I mentioned earlier, the conditions are terrible for forming opinions on anything other than how the screens look, and even then, some of them are so high up on the "walls" that that's difficult. There are extremely bright fluorescent lights everywhere and they play unbelievably sh*tty, tiny, fuzzy, blurred SD content through them.

Audio Vision is somewhat different to Makro, Game and the like, so I'll give them a try when next I visit the Waterfront. Still not the best place to test, but probably the best I'll get, unless I find that people I know have the TVs in which I'm interested.

Things are looking up, as the 6 series appears to have a 100 CMR, which translates to 60hz (like my PC LCD).
 
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I'm not too sure how that explains the discrepancy.

What I'd really like to know is whether the answer to all these problems I'm having with deciding which screen to get is merely to buy a full HD Samsung LED and turn off auto motion plus.
 
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Bl1zz4rd said:
What I'd really like to know is whether the answer to all these problems I'm having with deciding which screen to get is merely to buy a full HD Samsung LED and turn off auto motion plus.
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Yes, you are over-analyzing it now.

I have the 3 major TV technologies in my house (all Samsung); 2010 40C530 LCD, 2011 46D6000 LED & 2012 51E550 Plasma. From time to time I've plugged my Macbook Air into all 3 and can tell you the D6000 LED (gloss screen) produces the sharpest, crispest & most stablest picture from a PC 60Hz input via HDMI. It has none of the drawbacks of the other two e.g. poorer viewing angles, lesser sharpness of matt LCD & brightness limiting, occasional judder & dithering of the Plasma.

That said, objectively the difference between them running in 1:1 pixel mode at 1920x1080 is quite minor. All 3 of them do the job pretty well.
 
Analyzing as I am because once I make the purchase, there's no turning back.

Nice. That E550 is the cheapest full HD plasma I can find. I think, considering my budget and my willingness to stay within its boundaries, I'd be better off just getting an LED.

What's the main difference between LCDs with and without LED backlighting? Does the backlighting just make the screen brighter, or does it have an effect on the picture quality in other ways?

Anyone have input on Samsung Smart TV? Is it a worthwhile feature?
 
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Does the backlighting just make the screen brighter, or does it have an effect on the picture quality in other ways?
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For PC input the screen filter technology (matt vs gloss) seems to make more of a difference to picture sharpness.

The LED's added motion processing, LED Motion Plus (backlight scanning) has less of an effect with 1:1 pixel 60Hz input. All the scaling, frame rate conversion, de-intelacing & other processing gets done on the PC in sw. It does however help quite a bit with lesser 24Hz or 50Hz interlaced signals when used with Auto Motion Plus (interpolation) on moderate settings.

Lastly the D6000 does global dimming so the blacks in very dark scenes are better than the LCD.

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Anyone have input on Samsung Smart TV? Is it a worthwhile feature?
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To run Plex yes, otherwise mostly a gimmick.
 
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Roman4604 said:
Yes, you are over-analyzing it now.
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Seen his other threads?

;) @ Bl1z.

I have the 3 major TV technologies in my house (all Samsung); 2010 40C530 LCD, 2011 46D6000 LED & 2012 51E550 Plasma. From time to time I've plugged my Macbook Air into all 3 and can tell you the D6000 LED (gloss screen) produces the sharpest, crispest & most stablest picture from a PC 60Hz input via HDMI. It has none of the drawbacks of the other two e.g. poorer viewing angles, lesser sharpness of matt LCD & brightness limiting, occasional judder & dithering of the Plasma.

That said, objectively the difference between them running in 1:1 pixel mode at 1920x1080 is quite minor. All 3 of them do the job pretty well.
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Agreed.
 
Hehe. I do a *****lot of research, which is a pain before the purchase, but once I make it, I don't have regrets, so it's all good.

What I've found is that, online, PC screens list GTG response time but not hz. LCD and LED TVs list hz, but not response time (in ms). Why is this? It makes comparing them quite difficult.
 
Bl1zz4rd said:
Hehe. I do a *****lot of research, which is a pain before the purchase, but once I make it, I don't have regrets, so it's all good.

What I've found is that, online, PC screens list GTG response time but not hz. LCD and LED TVs list hz, but not response time (in ms). Why is this? It makes comparing them quite difficult.
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Not sure why the comparison between PC screens and LCD/LED TV's? They certainly cater for different uses.

But anyway- response time is the measure in time it takes for a pixel to go from grey to white to grey. So this is used more to "improve" the ability of the panel used in the monitor. Does not really say much in terms of how your picture would look, whether you would lose motion blur etc. Your refresh rate would be a better indicator, as most panels only really need a 4ms response time if the video processing engine of the monitor is somewhat decent.

To my understanding- response time is better suited as a measurement for PC screens, as PC's are generally used for quicker motion tasks- gaming in particular. And the video processing engine would not necessarily need to reside on the monitor- the graphics card takes care of all the legwork.

Not so much with a TV. If that makes sense. I'm sure PostmanPot and Roman4604 can provide a better explanation than me.
 
Maverick Jester - You've touched on my point. I will be using this screen for PC-related tasks - gaming, web browsing, etc. Therefore, response time is important, but the TVs don't list it.
 
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Maverick Jester - You've touched on my point. I will be using this screen for PC-related tasks - gaming, web browsing, etc. Therefore, response time is important, but the TVs don't list it.
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S-PVA TVs tends to have better response time than IPS TVs. My 3 year old LA32C550 is perfect for competitive gaming. Much of a muchness these days though IMO. Check AV/AVS Forum for the response time thread if you want.
 
Hey

IMO dont go for LED, I have found that the colours are not "accurate". I think either LCD or Plasma. If you are a sporting fan, then PLASMA is the way to go as there is NO Motion Blur. Problem with motion blur is that once you have seen it, you hate your screen. The cheaper the screen, the more likely it is that your LCD will have HUGE motion blur.

I used to have a Samsung which had the clear motion or something to that affect, I just found that it ruined the picture and took it off.

I now have a Plasma, I love it BUT..... the reflection that you metioned really sucks, need to darken the room with good curtains or blinds.
 
mercurial said:
Oh, look. Another troll.
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Huh? There was no trolling anywhere just honesty.

PostmanPot said:
Depends where you are and the type of electricity and TV standards. USA = 60, 120, 240 etc.

Europe, SA = 50, 100. 200, etc.
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Uhm...refresh rate has nothing at all to do with electricity.

Most LCD's/LED's are 60hz.

PAL50hz is a remnant of the old non-HD era and is not applicable to HDTV's. Sure the input from the SABC might still be 50hz (or rather 50 frames per second) but this gets converted to 60hz which is the native frequency of the TV.


Most TV's that also claim to have 100hz / 120hz / 200hz and up actually still display at 60hz but use crafty technologies to add additional frames to content...often with adverse results. The input however will always be 60hz as that is the HD standard (1080p60).

When a TV says it does 24p it means that it can accept a 24p (24 frames per second as the film standard) and convert it happily to 60hz for output. It does not mean it gets rendered at a genuine 24 frames per second.


Personally I switch off anything that "adds" crap to my input, so out the window goes 120/200/whatever frequencies because they do nothing but muck up display.

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Note that 120hz on a PC screen is something else, as the input can be a genuine 120hz therefore offering a 1:1 ratio.


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Also note that a Plasma's frequency is that of subfield motion and is not remotely the same as the frequency of an LED/LCD. Plasma also outputs at 60hz because the common TV standard input is 60hz...and this will be the case for many moons to come.
 
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