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Hi guys,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of an ECS and an ECNS license, and the difference between the class version and the individual version.

I know ECNS alows me to dig up roads and lay my own infrastructure (should I go wifi/wireless, I'll need a spectrum license as well)... but what is an ECS license for?

Can I still provide value-added services like reselling SAIX bandwidth on ADSL with an ECS license. Could I even start my own VoIP company and provide cheaper telephone routing using the internet as an infrastructure?

Anyway, just looking for some basic info on these licenses.

Thanks
 
Hi guys,

I'm trying to figure out the purpose of an ECS and an ECNS license, and the difference between the class version and the individual version.

I know ECNS alows me to dig up roads and lay my own infrastructure (should I go wifi/wireless, I'll need a spectrum license as well)... but what is an ECS license for?

Can I still provide value-added services like reselling SAIX bandwidth on ADSL with an ECS license. Could I even start my own VoIP company and provide cheaper telephone routing using the internet as an infrastructure?

Anyway, just looking for some basic info on these licenses.

Thanks

ECNS - gives right to roll out and operate infrastructure (of whatever kind)
ECS - gives right to provide services over your own or someone else's infrastructure

look at adsl as an example: the physical copper pair coming into your house would require an ECNS licence while providing internet access services over this copper pair would require an ECS licence

then the licence break down into individual (I) and class (C), so
IECNS - right to roll out and operate a physical network of national or provincial scope
CECNS - right to roll out and operate a physical network of national or municipal scope
[i.e. the difference for ECNS has to do with geographical scope]

IECS - right to provide services nationally over your own or someone else's network + right to access numbers from the national numbering plan (any kind of numbers...not just 087)
CECS - right to provide services nationally over your own or someone else's network
[i.e. the difference for ECS is all about numbers]

Spectrum is a completely different licensing element for which you would need an ECNS licence to qualify. ICASA is working on this (...) and there should be some progress this year although it is impossible to predict at this stage what will happen. For the moment use of licence exempt frequency within the applicable regulations is the only option for those wanting to provide wireless access services (or there is a possibility of using someone else's spectrum if you can negotiate this).

You can provide value added services with an ECS or fall within a licence exemption as a reseller. Generally an ECS licence will be required so that you can do directly to an ECNS licensee and obtain wholesale rates [this is also a bit confused at the moment]. To provide a VoIP service you would need an IECS (or you could negotiate for a sub-allocation of numbers from someone who already has them)

hth
 
IECS - right to provide services nationally over your own or someone else's network + right to access numbers from the national numbering plan (any kind of numbers...not just 087)

Hi Dominic,

So just to be clear from myside, if I wanted to provide a VoIP client with an 011 number for instance, I'd need an IECS license, as it is out of the scope of an ECS number. If I understood everything you said, the ECS part would only not qualify me to provide a VoIP service, or even apply for an 087 range.

Thanks a million for the easy-to-understand breakdown. I just wanted to confirm everything in regards to the new regulations, and its always helpful asking the people in the know.

Thanks once again!
 
So just to be clear from myside, if I wanted to provide a VoIP client with an 011 number for instance, I'd need an IECS license, as it is out of the scope of an ECS number. If I understood everything you said, the ECS part would only not qualify me to provide a VoIP service, or even apply for an 087 range.

yes - you need an IECS licence to get numbers from ICASA

with a class ECS you cannot apply for numbers but
- you could enter into a commercial agreement to get a sub-allocation of numbers from an IECS licensee who has them
- not all VoiP services require numbers - it is really only when you want to offer an inbound service

good luck :)
 
Dominic, thanks for all the assistance!

So who wants to sell their IECS license?
 
Selling your license

Dominic, correct me if i am wrong.

You cannot purchase any license awarded by ICASA. However, you will have to buy the company holding the license. Even then, ICASA has to be notified of such change of ownership and is subject to approval.
 
Dominic, correct me if i am wrong.

You cannot purchase any license awarded by ICASA. However, you will have to buy the company holding the license. Even then, ICASA has to be notified of such change of ownership and is subject to approval.

nearly right :)

you can purchase the licence or you can purchase an entity holding the licence - either way where there is a change of control over the licence then you can agree the commercial terms but you must obtain approval from ICASA on application through the prescribed form (which is a major pain in the ass)
 
wify : few SMALL points to blow rather large chunks in your conspiracy theories...

the courts did not give 600 licensees road-cutting licenses... they received the license to build a network.. they still need to then get permissions etc from the local municipality which takes time and money... and no, the council does not want anyone digging up the roads and pavements., and no, you never got "unofficial" permission to cut the roads.. because such a thing doesn't exist... you either got official permission to cut trenches in public property or you're talking nonsense like usual.

Those are just a few small little problems in your post.. I'm not really going to bother with the rest of it because its just as much nonsense...
 
wify : few SMALL points to blow rather large chunks in your conspiracy theories...

the courts did not give 600 licensees road-cutting licenses... they received the license to build a network.. they still need to then get permissions etc from the local municipality which takes time and money... and no, the council does not want anyone digging up the roads and pavements., and no, you never got "unofficial" permission to cut the roads.. because such a thing doesn't exist... you either got official permission to cut trenches in public property or you're talking nonsense like usual.

Those are just a few small little problems in your post.. I'm not really going to bother with the rest of it because its just as much nonsense...

We did get permission here is the thread http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=29635

It caused a lot excitement around here, Vansies were phoning council some were in tears some want to sort me out etc.... But read the thread it was actually rather amusing. :)
 
No, you didn't get permission in that thread, and that thread is from 2005, the regulatory framework for telecommunications infrastructure has changed, but not the framework for ripping up municipality land... a ECNS license does not give you carte blance to do that... You still need to apply for permission from the local council and roads department, etc etc etc...

When you get a clue and have an idea about how the law in this country works we'll gladly debate your insane idea.. until such time.. move along please.
 
No, you didn't get permission in that thread, and that thread is from 2005, the regulatory framework for telecommunications infrastructure has changed, but not the framework for ripping up municipality land... a ECNS license does not give you carte blance to do that... You still need to apply for permission from the local council and roads department, etc etc etc...

When you get a clue and have an idea about how the law in this country works we'll gladly debate your insane idea.. until such time.. move along please.
Now he's attacking someone else. Seriously, dude, chill.
 
Sackboy : When you've been here for a long enough time and read through wify's rambling posts, you'll know what I'm talking about, and no.. I'm not attacking wify, I'm putting his idea into perspective with the regulatory framework we have in this country, as well as the economic reality.

Pooky : Go and finish your homework or something... the adults are attempting to discuss an important issue.
 
Help please!
Hi there,

I am a bit confused with all of these regulations in place.

Here is my scenario, i hope someone could guide me in the right direction please...

ok. I would like to resell voip services, the local providers do not have the features of the voip services which i would like to resell so i have made a deal with an american company to resell their services however here comes the tricky part.
I would like to provide my clients with local telephone numbers and number portability and local routes all through the international service provider. I have found some local telecoms companies who is willing to provide me with South African DID's (numbers) and route the calls through their system and their routes.

Would i be able to get around the legislation as a reseller if the local telecommunications company is providing the interconnects, the numbers and handling the number portability all on the USA companies servers as they have the functionality and the services which i would like to resell on a local level.

If i require a license, what should i look at and whats the easiest way to get me going.

If anyone can advise me i would really appreciate it as i have been stuck on this one for a while now.

HELP!!!

Thank you
 
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