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I personally hate the flag (it's ugly), but the irony is that banning it is exactly the sort of thing the Nat government where know for - banning people, organizations and symbols. People fought for freedom in this country, not just the freedom to do things they liked but the freedom to do/display things they might not like...
it being "ugly" is the least of our worries.
 
how dare someone have an alternative view than me, and does not get triggered by the usual hoppie le brigade tactics. See it as a baptism of fire ...

..and yes the frustration is palpable ....and on some days oh so glorious..
The frustration is palpable indeed....If only they could say exactly what they'd like to....
The agony lol...
 
Guys ignore @Mar Vin he is obviously a troll with a HUGE chip on his shoulder and a massive inferiority complex.

Totally off-topic:
Definitely a troll.
I suspect it's that (banned) loser "Sabre-some-or-other-number" -who was previously banned on at least one other account for ...*drum roll*... trolling.
(Was one of "The Usuals"...which says it all)

Nope he is not, granted, bit rough around the edges , but brings different perspective and better balance to the discourse. I note the usual hoppie le strategy does not work on him either, in my book, a keeper.

You, Forcefate, Craig and a few other folks sometimes -often- have opposing views but most people recognize that you guys want to have real conversations, not troll.
chomp, your garden variety limp-snakes, our resident Indian foreigner who constantly pines for "the good ol' days", a few numbers and this "new" marhuan character on the other hand, very clearly are.
 
Agree, restricting people's right to voice their ideas and opinions just because you might disagree with them is far more worrying...
Shouldn't some ideas be kept to ones self? Don't get freedom of speech twisted. If you love the old flag and what it represents, is this the place to spew such tasteless crap?
 
Totally off-topic:
Definitely a troll.
I suspect it's that (banned) loser "Sabre-some-or-other-number" -who was previously banned on at least one other account for ...*drum roll*... trolling.
(Was one of "The Usuals"...which says it all)



You, Forcefate, Craig and a few other folks sometimes -often- have opposing views but most people recognize that you guys want to have real conversations, not troll.
chomp, your garden variety limp-snakes, our resident Indian foreigner who constantly pines for "the good ol' days", a few numbers and this "new" marhuan character on the other hand, very clearly are.

Arrgg the troll police again...Keep scratching that knoggen bro....

This is a real convo. It's just not the replies to a convo that you're used to. Some don't sit fence.
 
Shouldn't some ideas be kept to ones self? Don't get freedom of speech twisted. If you love the old flag and what it represents, is this the place to spew such tasteless crap?
Who are you to decide what is or is not tasteless, who gets to decide what ideas cannot be voiced? If you don't like the flag and what it represents call people out on it. If you don't like someone's idea you are free to challenge them or criticize them but the idea that certain opinions and ideas should not be voiced just because people might not like them is quite scary..

Do you advocate similar things in other areas, should any controversial opinion be silenced lest it offends someone?
 
What do you think?
Not sure what to think.
That's why I asked you to explain the "Anyone with your bloodline will never. so actually you can go fck urself bra." part of/in your post.
you cant bra. Anyone that still cries for their beloved flag can never. Anyone with your bloodline will never. so actually you can go fck urself bra.
Care you please explain how that is not racist?
 
Totally off-topic:
Definitely a troll.
I suspect it's that (banned) loser "Sabre-some-or-other-number" -who was previously banned on at least one other account for *drum roll* trolling.
(Was one of "The Usuals"...which says it all)



You, Forcefate, Craig and a few other folks sometimes -often- have opposing views but most people recognize that you guys want to have real conversations, not troll.
chomp, your garden variety limp-snakes, our resident Indian foreigner who constantly pines for "the good ol' days", a few numbers and this "new" marhuan character on the other hand, very clearly are.

My noted brethren and I , all started with the label of troll - seems to be a tradition on here ...if you not subscribe to the prevailing views that regularly gets spewed on here. The hoppie le gang attempts their usual crap with all , that are counter to their views- some fall for it, get all emotive..spews something and gets banned. Other side of the coin, you have the regular crackpots, that just get accepted, no matter how crazy their ramblings are. All part and parcel of our differences...diversity makes things way more interesting.
 
Who are you to decide what is or is not tasteless, who gets to decide what ideas cannot be voiced? If you don't like the flag and what it represents call people out on it. If you don't like someone's idea you are free to challenge them or criticize them but the idea that certain opinions and ideas should not be voiced just because people might not like them is quite scary..

Do you advocate similar things in other areas, should any controversial opinion be silenced lest it offends someone?
I don't have to be anyone. The mere fact that it offends a few is enough. If abuse is an idea you like, should you share?
Such ideas should be shared in a closed off space where only those who agree to it will have a say.
What is the idea behind that flag? To go back? To remember the good old days? why don't you tell me?
Lets not be *****, All ideas are not meant to share. Some have ideas of rape...some ideas on oppressing further...some ideas on farm murders and how its ok....should it be shared????
 
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