Locked routers

What is your opinion about locked routers provided by operators?

  • Awesome - let someone else do my IT

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Sucks - I do my own IT

    Votes: 40 58.8%

  • Grumpy - at least give me a choice

    Votes: 27 39.7%
  • Total voters
    68
  • Poll closed .
SauRoNZA said:
Managed internet access has been the standard across the world, it’s only South Africa that was spoilt for choice for so long that it seems strange.

It makes perfect business sense as most customers are idiots.
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How is a person meant to use the Internet when you have purchased a firewall or outsourced you firewall to a 3rd party and the operator doesn't want to provide the PPPoE details?
 
I contacted Vox and asked them for the router credentials. They sent me an application form with someone else's details (ID number, name etc.) After a few mails back and forth I decided fck it and gave up. The juice is not worth the squeeze
 
r00igev@@r said:
How is a person meant to use the Internet when you have purchased a firewall or outsourced you firewall to a 3rd party and the operator doesn't want to provide the PPPoE details?
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You don’t use PPPoE.

They simply pass the WAN IP down to the next device on it’s WAN Port.

It’s basically a 1:1 NAT in most cases.

Works like this all over the rest of the world.

Most enterprise setups work exactly like this too, you don’t ever need to enter PPPoE details anywhere as the ISP manages your WAN IP stack. At worst you need to just use a particular Static IP to talk to it.

PPPoE is so very old school DSL vibes.
 
SauRoNZA said:
You don’t use PPPoE.

They simply pass the WAN IP down to the next device on it’s WAN Port.

It’s basically a 1:1 NAT in most cases.

Works like this all over the rest of the world.

Most enterprise setups work exactly like this too, you don’t ever need to enter PPPoE details anywhere as the ISP manages your WAN IP stack. At worst you need to just use a particular Static IP to talk to it.

PPPoE is so very old school DSL vibes.
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You haven't used OpenServe or Vodacom yet?
 
SauRoNZA said:
You don’t use PPPoE.

They simply pass the WAN IP down to the next device on it’s WAN Port.

It’s basically a 1:1 NAT in most cases.

Works like this all over the rest of the world.

Most enterprise setups work exactly like this too, you don’t ever need to enter PPPoE details anywhere as the ISP manages your WAN IP stack. At worst you need to just use a particular Static IP to talk to it.

PPPoE is so very old school DSL vibes.
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The entry level routers provided by ISP's wont do that so the user ends up with double NAT.

Rather just config WAN as PPPoE and be done with it.

Have a fee USG's/pfSense/OPNsense routers configured like that with no issues whatsoever.
 
OCP said:
The entry level routers provided by ISP's wont do that so the user ends up with double NAT.

Rather just config WAN as PPPoE and be done with it.

Have a fee USG's/pfSense/OPNsense routers configured like that with no issues whatsoever.
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Reality is the vast majority of users out there don’t need another router or even know how to configure one.

IT nerds can request to be excluded from that.

Besides the fact most silly consumer routers have a means of employing the DMZ function to do exactly this.

Using PPPoE is bypassing a problem that shouldn’t exist. There’s no real need for a consumer to ever touch a account details for a managed device.

The devices you refer to don’t sound managed at all. Just plain old routers with the account details locked inside meant for end users who don’t know better and can’t help themselves of which there are many.
 
OCP said:
To be honest that is probably a good thing as people like to fiddle and mess up configs ;-)

As long as ISP is upfront about it and makes it easy to get access to router.
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Do you know how many end users I've asked to log in their routers via the IP at the bottom and they are like. huuuuuuuuh???

It's mainly the wannabe IT guys that fiddle and break kak.
 
SauRoNZA said:
Reality is the vast majority of users out there don’t need another router or even know how to configure one.

IT nerds can request to be excluded from that.

Besides the fact most silly consumer routers have a means of employing the DMZ function to do exactly this.

Using PPPoE is bypassing a problem that shouldn’t exist. There’s no real need for a consumer to ever touch a account details for a managed device.

The devices you refer to don’t sound managed at all. Just plain old routers with the account details locked inside meant for end users who don’t know better and can’t help themselves of which there are many.
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Come now! Pfsense not managed? Eish.
When you log a ticket with an operator and tell him his line is kuk on a managed device they will never admit to it. With your own pfsense you can keep them honest.
 
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