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@eitai2001:
I'm a Java developer with 1 years exp. and I recently decided to change jobs. Put my CV out there and got a job offer within 3 days (for R30k p/m). Later I got higher offers (and when I say offer I mean they send me a contract to sign for employment, not maybe and promises).
The companies are so desperate that they fall into your timetable for interviews and fast track them if you sound like you want to sign with someone else. I don't want to name the names for fear of being identified but they are incredible large companies. Many of which you probably use in your daily life (finance companies, US based companies, very large ISPs, etc.)
My point being, there is a SERIOUS shortage of developers and we earn way more than we are supposed to. There is no shortage of work.
Getting a developer who will work for free... The quality of that person is going to be seriously questionable, if you even find such a person.
If it were me you asked and I had nothing better to do: I would offer you at most 10% of the profits and you tell me the idea with me having the option of declining if I don't think it would make it. An idea isn't even worth 10% TBH but hell maybe it can make some money.
I'm a Java developer with 1 years exp. and I recently decided to change jobs. Put my CV out there and got a job offer within 3 days (for R30k p/m). Later I got higher offers (and when I say offer I mean they send me a contract to sign for employment, not maybe and promises).
The companies are so desperate that they fall into your timetable for interviews and fast track them if you sound like you want to sign with someone else. I don't want to name the names for fear of being identified but they are incredible large companies. Many of which you probably use in your daily life (finance companies, US based companies, very large ISPs, etc.)
My point being, there is a SERIOUS shortage of developers and we earn way more than we are supposed to. There is no shortage of work.
Getting a developer who will work for free... The quality of that person is going to be seriously questionable, if you even find such a person.
If it were me you asked and I had nothing better to do: I would offer you at most 10% of the profits and you tell me the idea with me having the option of declining if I don't think it would make it. An idea isn't even worth 10% TBH but hell maybe it can make some money.
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akescpt
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i just read your title and thought 'life partner' lol. as you were...
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Looooool this is goood
I have to agree on this, for any developer out there if you are dumb enough to work for something that's a maybe then its your choice
Lots of work out there (paying work)
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I dunno some guys just love to dev.. I know i'm too lazy to do this, I prefer messing around with things like google apps/ android etc. in my spare time.
That said, I give OP props for at least trying to do something about it. I'd imagine OP would help out with the dev since it seems he's at least competent in web dev.
Anyways, good luck man.
That said, I give OP props for at least trying to do something about it. I'd imagine OP would help out with the dev since it seems he's at least competent in web dev.
Anyways, good luck man.
@Gnome and Byron ... in just over a year's time I too will be able to sign permanent contracts grossing 30k to 40k per month ... the problem, I am not my own boss.
I'm not sure who you are trying to convince with your points, I didn't ask for insight into why someone wouldn't help me ... I asked for anyone interested in working together.
Additionally, I did not ask for someone to work *For* me, I asked for someone to work *With* me. I have had more than a fair amount of responses, actually quite a bit more than I was expecting, and all that tells me is that there are more than a few people who are willing to chance it for something better than just a simple job.
And let's say these guys I meet don't like my idea, maybe they even explain to me why my idea won't work ... so what, I have now officially networked with these people, and maybe together we chat and come up with a better idea than my own, and then grow on that one ... you never know.
The point is, reading this thread and looking at all the negatives, and justifying to yourselves and no one else why *you* wouldn't be in touch with me is quite short sighted. And I honestly mean that with no disrespect ... not everyone is an entrepreneur and not everyone is willing to take the risk for the higher reward ... and that is why there will always be supply and demand ... because there are entrepreneurs and then there are the related stakeholders (customers, etc).
However, Byron, to say: "for any developer out there if you are dumb enough to work for something that's a maybe then its your choice", is a tad thoughtless, because if your exact statement were true, we would still be living in the stone ages ... it is the exact opposite of your statement that has lead the world to the technological advancements of today.
In fact, if no one was "dumb enough" as you say, to work towards a maybe, you wouldn't have your job for two reasons ... 1: The owner of your company started it on a "Maybe" ... and apparently he succeeded, and 2) You yourself in some way chose your degree with a "Maybe", albeit a much less riskier version of one ... "Maybe I will find a job with this degree and earn an income", your own personal investment.
Our entire lifes consist of risks and maybe's. It's up to each individual to determine the level of risk they are willing to take. The way I view it, if you are still in your 20's, your are able to take the highest of risks and try a few startups, but in your 50's, yes, you should have a stable job.
With that said, there is nothing wrong at all with your choices in life, some people prefer or even require the security of a dedicated job. I believe it's the 2nd need on Maslow's Hierarchy.
I don't suppose you thought, though, that the people contacting me don't work all the time, and would be willing to try start something in there spare time.
To summarise: What I was looking for in this thread, was not a developer per se, but an entrepreneur and creative thinker who also knows how to develop, be it for the current idea or future ones where we could work together.
Hope that clears it up
An interesting few words I read from Noah Kagan, no 30 at Facebook, is that when you see someone being successful, it is extremely rare that it is their first project. They have most likely had 10's of business idea's that flopped before they found the one that succeeded and made them their money. These type of people are usually serial entrepreneurs. So if you try and try again, one day you will most likely succeed.
To give you an idea, I have already gotten 2 idea's up and running, both were fairly successful ... but more learning experiences ... this thread relates to idea's number 3, 4 & 5 (5 I actually thought of yesterday, but doesn't really need a developer as I have the skills to get that one going, yet I feel this world has to much greed and would prefer to share the idea's in the hopes I find a great like minded individual who will compliment my weaknesses ... or two or three or four individuals, etc ... you just need to be a forward thinker to understand
Edit: By the way, I have seen that e-mail before ... it's brilliant, I love it ... but it has nothing to do with what I am asking
Double Edit: Reading my post, I can see how it may possibly be offensive ... if you do take offense, don't ... none was intended and there are no intended personal attacks ... this is just the way I speak
I'm not sure who you are trying to convince with your points, I didn't ask for insight into why someone wouldn't help me ... I asked for anyone interested in working together.
Additionally, I did not ask for someone to work *For* me, I asked for someone to work *With* me. I have had more than a fair amount of responses, actually quite a bit more than I was expecting, and all that tells me is that there are more than a few people who are willing to chance it for something better than just a simple job.
And let's say these guys I meet don't like my idea, maybe they even explain to me why my idea won't work ... so what, I have now officially networked with these people, and maybe together we chat and come up with a better idea than my own, and then grow on that one ... you never know.
The point is, reading this thread and looking at all the negatives, and justifying to yourselves and no one else why *you* wouldn't be in touch with me is quite short sighted. And I honestly mean that with no disrespect ... not everyone is an entrepreneur and not everyone is willing to take the risk for the higher reward ... and that is why there will always be supply and demand ... because there are entrepreneurs and then there are the related stakeholders (customers, etc).
However, Byron, to say: "for any developer out there if you are dumb enough to work for something that's a maybe then its your choice", is a tad thoughtless, because if your exact statement were true, we would still be living in the stone ages ... it is the exact opposite of your statement that has lead the world to the technological advancements of today.
In fact, if no one was "dumb enough" as you say, to work towards a maybe, you wouldn't have your job for two reasons ... 1: The owner of your company started it on a "Maybe" ... and apparently he succeeded, and 2) You yourself in some way chose your degree with a "Maybe", albeit a much less riskier version of one ... "Maybe I will find a job with this degree and earn an income", your own personal investment.
Our entire lifes consist of risks and maybe's. It's up to each individual to determine the level of risk they are willing to take. The way I view it, if you are still in your 20's, your are able to take the highest of risks and try a few startups, but in your 50's, yes, you should have a stable job.
With that said, there is nothing wrong at all with your choices in life, some people prefer or even require the security of a dedicated job. I believe it's the 2nd need on Maslow's Hierarchy.
I don't suppose you thought, though, that the people contacting me don't work all the time, and would be willing to try start something in there spare time.
To summarise: What I was looking for in this thread, was not a developer per se, but an entrepreneur and creative thinker who also knows how to develop, be it for the current idea or future ones where we could work together.
Hope that clears it up
An interesting few words I read from Noah Kagan, no 30 at Facebook, is that when you see someone being successful, it is extremely rare that it is their first project. They have most likely had 10's of business idea's that flopped before they found the one that succeeded and made them their money. These type of people are usually serial entrepreneurs. So if you try and try again, one day you will most likely succeed.
To give you an idea, I have already gotten 2 idea's up and running, both were fairly successful ... but more learning experiences ... this thread relates to idea's number 3, 4 & 5 (5 I actually thought of yesterday, but doesn't really need a developer as I have the skills to get that one going, yet I feel this world has to much greed and would prefer to share the idea's in the hopes I find a great like minded individual who will compliment my weaknesses ... or two or three or four individuals, etc ... you just need to be a forward thinker to understand
Edit: By the way, I have seen that e-mail before ... it's brilliant, I love it ... but it has nothing to do with what I am asking
Double Edit: Reading my post, I can see how it may possibly be offensive ... if you do take offense, don't ... none was intended and there are no intended personal attacks ... this is just the way I speak
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real developers dont have spare time
Kak ... they just need to lay off the games at home for a while
Fiddling with little tinkbits like Android apps here and there will eventually lead to a brain fart and an interesting idea, mark my words
... And yes, of course I will help. If it's a language I don't know (in this case, I sort of know), then my partner could show me some ropes and I could go from there ... that's how I learnt what I know today, except "partner" in my past has been google, youtube and opensource software
Just 4 weeks ago I had never used linux before (well maybe a live CD of Ubuntu for a bit), and now I have a home server using Ubuntu 11 Server Edition running, customized just the way I want ... when I need to learn something, I figure it out
Except GITHUB, that crap confuses the hell out of me ... I can't for the life of me navigate it properly or clone it, but I'll get there
I couldn't agree any more ... look at the guy who painted a wall painting or something for facebook when they were still tiny. They offered to pay him a few thousand dollars or a few shares instead ... they asked him if he could take the share option instead of the money as they were low on cash. Today his few shares are worth millions.
Thanks roguemat
And I have received a decent response as well ... and I plan to meet everyone, maybe not for this idea specifically, but this thread turned into a little more than I expected ... an amazing networking opportunity
Words of advice:
Make sure you sign contracts before you start, agreeing on terms, regarding success of venture, or failure. Also before you disclose your idea to any degree: Draw up and sign a legal confidentiality agreement with each party involved.
Word of mouth is no good in court, just in case it gets more successful than anyone thought.
Make sure you sign contracts before you start, agreeing on terms, regarding success of venture, or failure. Also before you disclose your idea to any degree: Draw up and sign a legal confidentiality agreement with each party involved.
Word of mouth is no good in court, just in case it gets more successful than anyone thought.
Regarding contracts, I agree fully ... if you all agree to go ahead, a contract is very important.
Regarding confidentiality agreements, theoretically I agree with you, they are great, practically they are usually useless. They cost a lot of money to persue, and it only becomes worth it if the person was hugely successful with your idea. I used to be all about those things, and used them everywhere ... until I realised how many people go ahead either way
... they're just to expensive to take to court and prove they stole the idea from you exactly.But thanks for the advice, it is definitely sound
... I just personally have a different way of working things [1]. As useless as insurance, when you never get property damage?
[2]. That is definitely not true, you can get free South African legal templates on the web.
Legal advice would still be prudent, and not as expensive as it would be to have your idea stolen - You said it, "High Risk = High Reward"
[3]. That is the whole point, you are trying to protect your ideas.
All in all, if you expect your project/concept not enough to make enough to be worth protecting, it's probably not worth investing any time in at all.
You are basically announcing that you are expecting failure.[1]. As useless as insurance, when you never get property damage?
[2]. That is definitely not true, you can get free South African legal templates on the web.
Legal advice would still be prudent, and not as expensive as it would be to have your idea stolen - You said it, "High Risk = High Reward"
[3]. That is the whole point, you are trying to protect your ideas.
All in all, if you expect your project/concept not enough to make enough to be worth protecting, it's probably not worth investing any time in at all.
No no, that's not what I meant.
An idea is only as good as the person who takes it forward.
I do expect the project / concept to be worth it ... but the people behind it are half the project
... Apple would not be what it is today if Steve didn't come back frikkie6000
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Either way good luck op and whoever takes your proposal I hope they can deliver and make something out of this
There is some dude who works for Facebook and got paid in equity only. No idea how he survived day-to-day, but as of yesterday I suppose that doesnt matter to him anymore.
Ofc, not every project is Facebook