Looking for (not such a dumbass) guild

[zippy]

no offense, but we only raid twice a week from 8-11, and have about 10% to go on lich king 10man. You guys are whacking out 4 nights and only guarantee 4 bosses :X

Anyway, we are on Dunemaul horde side.

casual 25 mans might be an option in the future. But we were a top 3 guild on the server once before and no matter what people say it became very stressful carrying atleast 10 retards through ulduar. We will only go back to that if we recruit enough like minded individuals.

I dont feel concerned at our lack of progress at all. I said we have 4 raid nights as OPPORTUNITIES. You consider new players or players not that well geared as retards, thats your opinion.

Why call a total stranger a retard because they have different priorities to you ?

 

[avert]

didn't call anyone a retard. just said your progress was poor in a game where just about everyone has atleast full 232 gear and you have 4 opportunities a week and the content is **** tons easier then previous patches.

by retarded i didnt mean undergeared players, i mean people continuously wandering into clouds at yogg, people constantly headbutting lava waves in sarth 3d, people sucking dick and wondering how they died in void zones, people who ran the wrong way at thaddius, not knowing how to switch auras, not knowing how to kite for the 50th time. i'd take ( and have taken) undergeared people way before a person who gets brainaids everytime he has to do something.

If you can handle that rubbish while raiding, then congratulations and enjoy your terrible gaming experience and maybe you are retarded.

 

[guest2013-1]

Right-o, I could have phrased it better. So let's dumb it down for you lot:

I'm busy doing Achievements
Achievements go a lot quicker and a lot less boring when you have people doing it with you, for example, For the Alliance! Insane in the Membrane! and Loremaster (to name a few)

I want to, when finished with my Achievements, would also like to clear some old content dungeons and raids. Now it can't be that difficult to clear an old-school dungeon or raid now can it? And it won't take 15 hours or preperation and 5 hours of constant play. So I require a guild that doesn't go all high and mighty "we don't run that content because we're in it for high level gear and can't be bothered helping someone getting Dungeon or Raid achievements"

I play when I want to because *I couldn't care less if you run ICC each and every night of the week*. I want to run things ONCE for the Achievement. Some require team work (yes, I just said the cursed word out-loud that nobody here can understand "TEAM work"). I also figured it would be an opportune moment to actually gain experience in actual raiding without being invited to an ICC raid and then getting told "I'm a n00b" or "Your gearscore is too low /gkick". So building up the experience I might actually see the fun side of raiding and join in 4 nights a week.

 

[guest2013-1]

Well yes, exactly. It grates my ass when people complain about not getting in on runs/raids/w.e but at the same time aren't willing to make any kind of commitment. It's like, 'i want everything but i want it on my terms'.

Sorry boet. Life doesn't work that way. The okes with the good gear and cool titles got there by making sacrifices, much like the guy driving a beemer and a house in Sandton. The world (of warcraft) doesn't owe you anything. If you aren't willing to commit to your guild's raiding schedule then odds are you're going to have to accept running random heroics and the occasional pug raid.

If you're talking about joining a casual raiding guild, though, and are happy with a couple nights here and there and not necessarily having the best gear and progression, that's a different story entirely, and entirely understandable.

Why should I care about the guild's needs if the guild gives a **** about MY needs... team work (there! I said the cursed word again! something you guys can't seem to understand)

 

[guest2013-1]

The irony for me though is that the OP is accusing other people of addiction when I know plenty of people who raid/play excessively who regard chasing achievements as a sign of addiction/madness.

Some folk play it for the Raids/Gear, I play it for achievements (so far) because I haven't found a guild yet that can actually give someone a chance at something they might be good at. For example, I was in this "casual raiding guild" with a weekly raiding schedule. They also claimed to be a very helpful "nice" guild and won't mind helping out people who level.

So there I was level 50 something, pushing levels like there was no tomorrow (did 50-80 in about 2 or 3 weeks) thinking "Cool, I can get help with this or that"

56 members online. 0 help.
56 members online. 0 invitations to raid. (thats when I asked and/or signed up to the schedule, they just ignored the request)
56 members online. 0 dungeon/pug runs.

If this was the ONLY guild that I joined who did this I'd sing a different tune...

And to all those "just pug it". Really? REALLY? Have you ****ing pugged lately? It's filled with 11 year old bitches more immature than I am on these ****ing forums!

No ways man, I'll just ****ing work on my own achievements and join in pugs who do raid content when I see it (which is almost never because I'm either in Dalaran or grinding out rep somewhere arb)

 

[semaphore]

no offense, but we only raid twice a week from 8-11, and have about 10% to go on lich king 10man. You guys are whacking out 4 nights and only guarantee 4 bosses :X

Anyway, we are on Dunemaul horde side.

casual 25 mans might be an option in the future. But we were a top 3 guild on the server once before and no matter what people say it became very stressful carrying atleast 10 retards through ulduar. We will only go back to that if we recruit enough like minded individuals.

Lol my paladin is on dunemaul horde side, i used to be in Iron Edge i hate that server its full of fking turks.

@Acid - you kinda need to calm down, you going to die young

 

[guest2013-1]

Lol my paladin is on dunemaul horde side, i used to be in Iron Edge i hate that server its full of fking turks.

@Acid - you kinda need to calm down, you going to die young

Die a hero or live long enough to see you become the villain... I'm the villain

I just get frustrated. Same mentality speaks volumes world wide and in this country. Everyone is looking out for #1 and that's themselves and they don't care who they have to **** over to get there.

 

[Crowley]

I can't speak for other guilds but as far as I know we're quite a helpful bunch some times. We did AQ20/40 a few weeks ago, followed that up with ZG and Molten core. We also did BWL one Saturday night and will do Sunwell and some of the other old BC raids in the next month. Not everybody is into achievements and even if there are 50+ people online it does not mean that even 1 of them is in the mood to do achievements, such is life.

As for not getting into a raid the first night you hit 80, that is to be expected. We have three 10 man groups in ICC every Thursday and Tuesday nights. The "top" team is busy with Arthas at the moment. On Sunday nights we do a 25 man ICC where we still struggle a bit due to undergeared people but since we are a social guild we can't force people to raid or exclude them too much on gear. We got Festergut down to 0.8% (300k) this last Sunday but he should go down this week.

 

[Timken]

I have tuned my playing time greatly since my raiding days. Take note*** Getting married does that to you.

Used to raid couple times a week, back in Nax days, in a guild called Premonition. The guild was originally started by me, and we did really well regarding progress etc. I handed the guild over to an officer I thought would do well, and he has managed to break the guild apart, pull the top raiders out of the guild and start his own. Hence my refusal to play alliance side again.

I have rerolled Horde on Shattered Halls, and have recently hit 80. Have a guild called bluebeans, in which there are 7 active members, of which 5 are South Africans, and the other guys are there cause they are outstanding players.

We dont raid. At all, as a guild. to date we have ran older instances to help the lower levels catch up, there are still 2 members that have rerolled that need to get to 80. We help each other with whatever needs to be helped with. Recently we acquired a key to Kara, so we 4 manned Kara (other guys couldnt make it), next plan is to run ZA and Sunwell, as well as Nax. All members are free to PUG the current content, as we have no interest in running organized raids yet.

The quality of players and the theorycrafters in the guild will make most WOTLK 10 man instances possible with 7 and 3 pugs, so that is something in the books for the future.

The general atmosphere in the guild is:
*Log on
*U guys wanna run ****?
*Make space in bags and go

To date not one person has refused an invite to lower level stuff/instances.

Our guild bank is a communal bag, we dump in materials etc we cant use, and take out materials we can use to make items other guildies can use and stick it back in.

Only reason this guild manages to function like this is thanks to its small size and RL friends. I am sure this type of guild and brotherhood is not for everyone, but for me it is a definatly relaxing way of playing wow, after raiding for close to 2 years 4 times a week.

 

[Tinuva]

Some folk play it for the Raids/Gear, I play it for achievements (so far) because I haven't found a guild yet that can actually give someone a chance at something they might be good at. For example, I was in this "casual raiding guild" with a weekly raiding schedule. They also claimed to be a very helpful "nice" guild and won't mind helping out people who level.

So there I was level 50 something, pushing levels like there was no tomorrow (did 50-80 in about 2 or 3 weeks) thinking "Cool, I can get help with this or that"

56 members online. 0 help.
56 members online. 0 invitations to raid. (thats when I asked and/or signed up to the schedule, they just ignored the request)
56 members online. 0 dungeon/pug runs.

If this was the ONLY guild that I joined who did this I'd sing a different tune...

And to all those "just pug it". Really? REALLY? Have you ****ing pugged lately? It's filled with 11 year old bitches more immature than I am on these ****ing forums!

No ways man, I'll just ****ing work on my own achievements and join in pugs who do raid content when I see it (which is almost never because I'm either in Dalaran or grinding out rep somewhere arb)

Is pugging really that bad where you are?

I still pug stuff now and again and it goes 99% of the time fine. Yes I do moan here and there about stuff, but its actually just nature and the groups go fine. I've done this doing heroics, getting to my Quel'dalar sword, the daily raids, VOA, TOC even Ulduar. The only place I haven't joined a PUG yet is ICC10/25, though I am sure some pugs do just fine in there nowadays.

 

[zippy]

...Only reason this guild manages to function like this is thanks to its small size and RL friends. I am sure this type of guild and brotherhood is not for everyone, but for me it is a definatly relaxing way of playing wow, after raiding for close to 2 years 4 times a week.

This is always the best way to play this game. Although I dont personally know the people in my guild, I have been with them for over 2 years. We are on a RL first name basis in guild chat. You have to have some kind of relationship with people in the guild. Ofc, most people are now doing lfg randoms for emblems, so if you want to one of those, you are more likely to get guildies in. I ofen tank with my warrior, heal with my paladin, for people in the guild who want to run older instances for achievement. We usually go with about 3 or 4 from the guild who also want the achievements, sometimes its all alts as well. Generally this happens over the weekend. Its not planned at all.

 

[Skurm]

And to all those "just pug it". Really? REALLY?

Yes, really. I pug the weekly and voa and sometimes ony or toc for lulz, and clear them. Sometimes they fail but more often than not they succeed. You don't need to be in a guild to do these. Maybe your realm blows, i dunno.

The real problem with old raids and achievement runs isn't that guilds as a whole aren't interested, but that in general, people aren't. You can't force people to do stuff they don't want to do. Even the most casual guilds out there aren't really doing old content as a focus. The ones i know of who've tried have all imploded spectacularly. That's just how it is, complaining about that fact isn't going to change it.There's just no interest in it any more. Deal.
Human nature dictates that most of us don't want to eat hamburger when we can have steak.

in this country

Er, you might have noticed that most people playing WoW on the EU servers aren't, in fact, from 'this country'. Ambivalence towards old content is universal.

Why should I care about the guild's needs if the guild gives a **** about MY needs...

You should take a long, hard look at that statement. If you can't understand the concept of how collective goals rather than individual are the only way to motivate a group of people, well, you're probably destined for a lifetime of dissapointment.

 

[twixt]

I have been guilded with most of the people in my guild for 4+ years. I know if I ask to do low level content they will offer to help out mostly because they know if they ask for something, I'll will volunteer to help out. You will never walk straight into that type of guild though, it takes time to build up the relationships.

 

[RexxGrim]

" the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few " - Spock

 

[Cynicster]

Sigh... Acid... you're still the kind of WoW player that falls into the same category as those 11 year old puggers you mentioned.
Seriously, adjust your attitude, no one wants to do anything with a whiny b1tch, that's probably why no one wants to do anything with you. It's really easy to pull together a group of people to do almost anything if you are a friendly person within the guild you are in. Make some friends instead of being emo and then maybe you'll see some interest when asking for people to join you in your endeavours.

Then when you talk about getting experience in raiding by running old content... Running Vanilla and BC raid content with a group of 80s is only going to teach you one thing: how to steam roll old content. There are some exceptions like Sunwell and some specific encounters who still pose major issues for unknowing PUGs but otherwise it's pretty much a given. Seriously.
As an example: I can solo the whole of Zul'Gurub on my own. How is that going to help me in ICC or any other WotLK raid instance if all the mobs in ZG die with 1 shot or my pet soloing everything with me mending it? F0k0l!
An exception would be for you as a druid (iirc you are a druid) to solo Karazhan on your own (there was an article about it on WoW.com not long ago). This would teach you proper cooldown management as a bear on some of the fights. Same thing could be said of a DKs soloing BC content (there was also an article about it being done). Doing so would provide some benefits to your tanking, get to know your abilities better and help you to think on your feet but in the end it still isn't proper raiding.
Anyway, in the end, to learn how to raid you need to raid current content and fulfil your appropriate role within realistic situations. There's no other way about it.

 

[zippy]

...Then when you talk about getting experience in raiding by running old content... ....

Yes. I would go further and say if you want experience and you want to build your skilz, do ze pugz. If you can tank or heal a pug or pew pew and not pull aggro, then you are leet. Btw, there is an achievement or 2 for pugging as well

 

[avert]

Lol my paladin is on dunemaul horde side, i used to be in Iron Edge i hate that server its full of fking turks.

yeah Ikari has started the Anti-turk movement already.

 

[guest2013-1]

Is pugging really that bad where you are?

I still pug stuff now and again and it goes 99% of the time fine. Yes I do moan here and there about stuff, but its actually just nature and the groups go fine. I've done this doing heroics, getting to my Quel'dalar sword, the daily raids, VOA, TOC even Ulduar. The only place I haven't joined a PUG yet is ICC10/25, though I am sure some pugs do just fine in there nowadays.

Yea, pugging is really bad where I am @

I have been guilded with most of the people in my guild for 4+ years. I know if I ask to do low level content they will offer to help out mostly because they know if they ask for something, I'll will volunteer to help out. You will never walk straight into that type of guild though, it takes time to build up the relationships.

Sigh... Acid... you're still the kind of WoW player that falls into the same category as those 11 year old puggers you mentioned.
Seriously, adjust your attitude, no one wants to do anything with a whiny b1tch, that's probably why no one wants to do anything with you. It's really easy to pull together a group of people to do almost anything if you are a friendly person within the guild you are in. Make some friends instead of being emo and then maybe you'll see some interest when asking for people to join you in your endeavours.

People obviously can't (won't) or haven't understood me correctly... probably because you guys deal so much with this kind of thing.

I put in *everything* for my guild. If they say "jump" I go "how high" <-- meaning, if they want me to join a group to do an instance because they're short on DPS or Healer then I drop whatever I'm busy with and haul ass to help out. What does this get me in return? "We're busy grinding for rep" or "Sorry busy with a quest" or the lovely *blank stare ignore*.

I understand you think I'm a whiney bitch but you've never played with me... at all... so how would you know what kind of person I am in WoW? Hell, I started playing MMO's before most of you guys and spend countless hours helping people or providing **** for other people that they needed to progress in game...

Oh and miss-quoting what I say isn't going to help at calm me down at all with this general non-chalant "go **** yourself" type attitude most of you have. I like the concept of having a close-knit guild ready to help each other out AND work towards the guild's greater goals... because face it. Without individuals a guild is nothing. There are no "guild achievements" or rewards in-game where they go "Hey congratulations, Guild ****ups just downed Boss so-and-so for the first time!". No, they list the names of the individuals, so when the individual leaves the guild for whatsoever reason, it will forever be there.

" the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few " - Spock

What? That's exactly what I'm looking for. A guild without everyone (well most of, not everyone) who replied here ****ed up attitude towards individuals who'd actually like to play different content sometime. Tit for tat bitches. And like I've explained before. I am/have been a contributing member to the guilds I've been involved with, have made friends through there and have had 0 opportunities to actually grow my own character where their mindset is "one for all and all for none". Why the **** should I help them out constantly when they can't even help me out ONCE.

Thus my predicament.

But I think I'm done here.

**** you all
wish you die (in game of course... without resurrection... teh perma-death)
bye

 

[zippy]

..
But I think I'm done here.

**** you all
wish you die (in game of course... without resurrection... teh perma-death)
bye

Thanks for this. I was trying to be helpful.

Kiss my....

 

[Cynicster]

Your post just proved my point, Acid. Emo.

Anyhow, just so you know:
- I'm also a mint hunter (733/1054 or 7790 points)
- I also love retro raiding. Gief moar!!!
- I'm also the guy that asks "How High?" "How Far?"

Do I whine? -> No.
Do I get people to join me in my fun adventures? -> Not always but mostly.
Do I cry like a little girl when people don't join me? -> No, I just find something else to do.

Again, adjust your attitude and learn to take disappointment like a man instead of lashing out at people or running to the forums to QQ about it.