Losing excessive electricity

savage

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I really don't think low voltage is a good idea for distributing electricity around a house.

It's not. You also can't put low voltage cables and high voltage cables in the same conduits either.

There's already huge issues with low voltage (12V) down lights. I can only imagine what endless hassles there will be with an entire house running like this. Not to mention the PITA for the poor sod that eventually buys your property from you, provided you do actually manage to get a COC.

From a safety point of view, there will be issues. From an efficiency point of view, there will be issues. From an installation point of view, there will be issues... Just about anything I can think off in terms of this, will be a issue. There's standards for a reason :whistling:
 

Geoff.D

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In die ou dae op die plaas -----

1. DC distribution WAS quite common.
2. The wiring was critical for good performance
3. There were applicable standards -- where are they, all withdrawn and now no longer there to be used?
4. DC distribution is NOT all that foreign to many of us coming out of the telecommunications industries. We know how to do this and it is NOT to try and use the existing wiring and conduits.
5. Yes there is lots to think about --- not the least of which is the design of so-called "modern housing", which frankly, has forgotten many things the old timers knew and provided for.
 

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In die ou dae op die plaas -----

1. DC distribution WAS quite common.
2. The wiring was critical for good performance
3. There were applicable standards -- where are they, all withdrawn and now no longer there to be used?
4. DC distribution is NOT all that foreign to many of us coming out of the telecommunications industries. We know how to do this and it is NOT to try and use the existing wiring and conduits.
5. Yes there is lots to think about --- not the least of which is the design of so-called "modern housing", which frankly, has forgotten many things the old timers knew and provided for.

I wouldn't contest that DC may be efficient in a house, but 12VDC would be. At low voltages with high amperage, the resistance from the wire would be greater than the loss from transforming therefore negating any benefits from using DC directly.
Furthermore, there would be a lot of challenges. Firstly, the industry would need to come up with a common plug standard for DC that is different from AC so that there is no risk of the 2 being interchanged.
Then there would need to be a standard voltage and it needs to be high enough to ensure a low enough current to ensure efficiency from the wires.
At least then, a standard transformer could be used which could have the standard DC plug with a standard voltage.
Many devices would still need a step down transformer to change the voltage for the various electronic circuits. This would probably be more efficient than an AC to DC transformer, but not by much.

I'm no expert, but we have always learnt that AC is more efficient in transmitting electricity over long distances and the switch to AC meant that you didn't have to be within 10kms of a power station. Also, all grid distribution is currently AC and the costs to change this to DC would be immense. Grid power would likely remain AC then so for houses that are solely on grid power to have DC circuits, they would have to have an AC to DC transformer.
There may be some benefits for people running battery banks, but as most DC appliances are electrical circuits that don't use a lot of power, I can't see the efficiency gains being worth the cost of a second electrical circuit. Saving 10% efficiency on a 9W LED globe or 70W TV isn't really a major saving.
On the other side, you will still need AC circuits for heavy duty appliances like vacuum cleaners, pool pumps, washing machines, dishwashers, etc. These appliances draw in excess of 1000W and are more efficient on AC.
 

mmacleod

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Firstly, the industry would need to come up with a common plug standard for DC that is different from AC so that there is no risk of the 2 being interchanged.

As I said in my earlier post - http://www.usb.org/developers/powerdelivery/ - this is where things are headed, industry is busy solving these 'issues' as we speak, it is inevitable for anyone who cares to pay attention to where we are headed...
Of the last 6 digital devices I have bought, 5 of them can take USB power, the 5th one is a monitor with an external power brick it is inevitable that monitors will take USB power once USB-PD becomes widespread. The DC/Digital plug standard is already here people just haven't realised it yet.

Focussing on the 'transmission' part is a red herring as you will probably just end up with a few 'hubs' in each room with transmission still being AC - or in the case of homes with solar there may be some transmission at 48v or higher (as there already is in many solar homes) - this does not imply DC wiring throughout the home.
To quote myself "I don't think you will see a situation where it is common to run your whole house on DC with DC wiring throughout" - I can't really make it any more clear than that :/

This is not about the grid switching either, that would make no sense, at least not unless a lot more technology changes (no predicting the future but right now it makes no sense)
Nobody here suggested that DC *replace* AC, you seem to think this is some either/or thing...
 
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Geoff.D

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I am down in CT at the moment. I am installing a panic button system for my Mom, and, did not want the unit to be powered from simple wall plug, so installed an new CB in the main board to feed the panic alarm system on its own.

The DB board is very neat but has some really strange things, and is quite a bit different from what we have in PTA ---?
Thought we all work to the same SANS standard in the country.??

Main breaker is a Heineman E/L unit double pole (60A), followed by a 60A single pole isolator, which then feeds the main bus bar. So ALL devices are E/L protected.

The stove is fed from a 35 A CB to a double pole isolator in the main board and then to the stove. The geyser is via a 20A CB (single pole). There is a very odd looking Energy saver unit installed on the geyser circuit. My mom says she has no idea what it does --- the next job to sort out.

My question is --- why have a single pole isolator after the E/L unit? right next to each other in the main board?
 

The_Mowgs

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We also have the old taures unit and for the past month we have experienced the same thing. We used to use R500 per month in winter. We don't use heaters and we also don't use the stove more. Even the geyser is only turned on for the exact time as before. Everything thing is exactly the same each month yet now we use R1000 per month.

We are also losing electricity at an alarming rate for some reason.

Edit: last night while sleeping we "used 16 units. That with geyser off, no pc's or tv's on...
 
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thehuman

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Call an electrician . Ask him to fit 3rd party power meter after your mains isolator
 

AntiGanda

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I've been bitching to the COCT about the Conlog prepaid meters they use, I'm sure they are not measuring usage properly.

I've got a solar geyser and I have just installed a gas hob and my bill hasn't dropped in fact it went up but R100 a week. Spending about R800-R1000 pm
Yes, we have one too. A few months ago it was OK, but now it seems to chew electricity even though we aren't using heaters.
 
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