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Mac vs PC
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Limited? If you say so.
I disagree. It depends on which apps you wish to use.
For example for video editing, you can't do better than Final Cut Pro.
You could mess with Premiere, but there is a reason that most professionals prefer FCP to Premiere. It's more powerful, has additional features and
is more stable. Plus the .MOV format is actually superior to the .AVI
package (AVIs do no contain timecode).
I'll give you another example.
I tried to do a quick DVD with a photo slideshow for a friend a few
nights ago. She was leaving the next morning and I had about 900
of her pics (each about 2-3MB in size). I had Roxio Toast and
it's Slideshow maker (a seperate app) and I also tried to use iDVD.
Well....
Roxio died when I added the 900 files. It started rendering on
my quad core Mac Pro and only got to 10% before crashing.
Then I tried iDVD.
iDVD could ONLY import 300 odd pictures, MAX. I couldn't add any more.
It made a cute slideshow, very fast but forget about making one with
more pics.
On the PC I used ProShow Maker Gold. Its way more powerful than the Roxio product and actually works. So in this regard the Mac was a disappointment but I could use Parallels or Bootcamp and native Windows and use this
slide show producer instead.
One thing I didn't do was try to use DVD Studio Pro's slideshow maker,
but its not automatic.
So it all depends. However for me, what I use a PC for - editing Gigs of SD and soon HD video, rendering effects, adding filters and transitions, titles
etc, FCP plus MacOS X make a perfect product. Not a single FCP
crash so far. My Premiere would die at least once a day, FCP just
works and saves me both TIME and FRUSTRATION.
Is you time and energy worth the small extra expense over a home brew
assembled system? For me it is. BTW I'm typing this on my WinTel
Centrino laptop.
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Preaching to the choir - I've been a mac user for well over a decade (though there were my school days prior to that where Apples featured predominantly) - but people who want to be convinced generally don't try so hard not to be.
The whole shift from only just being able to afford a MacBook laptop to wanting a MacPro also rung a few bells - perhaps I'm just too cynical
Makes no difference to me what computer he gets. Now if I got a commission for every referral. . . .
Limited in what way? It's 64Bit so you can pack in as much as 16GB RAM.
How much RAM can Windows Vista/XP 32 Bit address?
I use both Windows and Mac OS X. I simply love Mac OSX. It's rock solid,
fast and has not died on me once, while XP Pro and Home have, many times.
OSX is just a more professional system to use, even if you look at how
the OS interacts with the user. For one, no stupid nagging BS (stupid balloons popping up or message boxes) telling me that my USB stick is
now connected. Secondly no MS BS. No stupid Windoze Genuine Advantage garbage to download, run and reboot constantly.
Windows is good for browsing and email, games.
Mac OSX is actually for work.
(Unless work is browsing and emailing, using Office, then an Intel PII
with Win2K will suffice).
Preaching to the choir - I've been a mac user for well over a decade (though there were my school days prior to that where Apples featured predominantly) - but people who want to be convinced generally don't try so hard not to be.
The whole shift from only just being able to afford a MacBook laptop to wanting a MacPro also rung a few bells - perhaps I'm just too cynical
Makes no difference to me what computer he gets. Now if I got a commission for every referral. . . .
I know you're a Mac fan, my post was directed at the opposition, even though I replied to you
.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
Because for more than a decade Apple had different (Apple claiming superior
) hardware and the momentum of that is still carrying along...Did you even read the thread you just posted in?
Just dropped over 1300 photos into iDVD and it's creating the disk image now. Where did you run into the 300 photo constraint?I know you're a Mac fan, my post was directed at the opposition, even though I replied to you
That is difficult or even IMPOSSIBLE.
For example, no one can deny the wide range of games PCs enjoy.
Macs have a small selection or need to run in Bootcamp mode.
If you're a gamer and not much else, rather buy a PC.
If you use PhotoShop or Final Cut you're better of with a Mac.
If you're a casual user who wants an easier to use machine
a Mac is for you. If you're into numerous Open source or shareware
software that exists for the PC (while much less exists for the Mac)
well then the PC is for you.
I suggest you decide WHAT you want to use your machine for,
look up what tools you'll need and see what the consensus
is among those who use these tools successfully to make money.
Then go and evaluate a Mac in a shop and see if you like the interface,
it does take a while to get used to.
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It wouldn't let me drag and drop that number of pictures
.It was almost 3GB of pictures tho.
No - not disk image, I meant a SLIDESHOW for a set-top-box DVD player and TV. Of course you can burn as many files as you
want on a blank DVDR.
Plus iDVD slideshow did not let me choose what music I could use with the slideshow. Once I selected one song from iTunes, that was it.
The hour long slide show looped the same 3 minute MP3 song.
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You misunderstand - I didnt want to waste a blank dvd so I saved the dvd as a disk image. Its my 2007 aperture library of 11+gb and its currently processing the slide show - no need for it to use 10mb RAW images for a slide showIt wouldn't let me drag and drop that number of pictures
It was almost 3GB of pictures tho.
No - not disk image, I meant a SLIDESHOW for a set-top-box DVD player and TV. Of course you can burn as many files as you
want on a blank DVDR.
Will give you the final size when its done.
You misunderstand - I didnt want to waste a blank dvd so I saved the dvd as a disk image. Its my 2007 aperture library of 11+gb and its currently processing the slide show - no need for it to use 10mb RAW images for a slide show
Will give you the final size when its done.
Well I don't know then, but when I selected all the 2007 pics, it would not
let me drop them all, I could only select them piecemeal a couple hundred at a time and it accepted that. It still was a bummer because I couldn't add
extra songs.
Doing another one now - with music. I grabbed a load of music from iTunes and it accepted them all quite happily.
EDIT - trying another effort using iMovie - slower but it seems to be coping.
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koffiejunkie
Executive Member
Actually, far more opensource software run perfectly on OSX than on Windows. Most of the big projects are available - OpenOffice, Firefox, MPlayer, VLC, Abiword, Handbrake/Mediafork, etc. OSX is a UNIX under the skin, and if you install the dev tools that comes on the OSX DVD, you can compile most things that you can't download ready made. Then there are also two projects that make it easy to install the usual opensource *nix stuff: Darwinports take the FreeBSD ports route - download and compile (automated). Fink goes the Debian way, and lets you install stuff via apt. Both have pretty easy-to-use GUIs.
And lets not forget that much of OSX's internals are built on opensource software. The kernel is built on Darwin (*not* on FreeBSD), Filesharing is handled by Samba, and even OSX desktop/notebook version have the Postfix MTA installed.
Yeah but one can buy a decent PC at half the price and run nearly all the open source software under Linux.
OSX won't run lots of open source software mainly because Apple hardware is too freaking expensive for developers to buy and port the apps too.
OSX is different enough that porting is required in lot of cases. The changes are usually very minor but most users wouldn't know how to do the porting themselves.
Heck, most Apple users I know don't even know how to compile and install an app from source - if it doesn't come in an OSX installer package they're lost (much like the majority of Windows users).
koffiejunkie
Executive Member
Paul, none of the opensource programs that we use in windows depend on the hardware architecture - FireFox, OpenOffice and the like are all written, from the ground up, to run on multiple architectures across multiple operating systems. Mozilla even ran under BeOS on PPC hardware (actually, this is where the stand-alone mozilla-browser started - the mozilla port for BeOS lagged way behind the rest and was quite slow).
The majority of OSS devs are working on linux, so yes, of course the majority of OSS programs will be best supported under Linux. But most of the desktop stuff don't depend on linux in any way, so chances are that it will work under OSX. You don't even need the cacao libs because OSX ships with X11.
Yes Apple hardware is pricey but you don't need the latest and greatest kit to build software. I've seen Mac Minis go on eBay for under £100 and that's really all you need.
But since we're talking about OSX it's safe to assume we already have the hardware, right? So just download what you need - most things are there already.
The majority of OSS devs are working on linux, so yes, of course the majority of OSS programs will be best supported under Linux. But most of the desktop stuff don't depend on linux in any way, so chances are that it will work under OSX. You don't even need the cacao libs because OSX ships with X11.
Yes Apple hardware is pricey but you don't need the latest and greatest kit to build software. I've seen Mac Minis go on eBay for under £100 and that's really all you need.
But since we're talking about OSX it's safe to assume we already have the hardware, right? So just download what you need - most things are there already.
No, this post was about the merits of buying a Mac vs a PC.
It's still overpriced hardware no matter which way you look at it.
If Apple dropped the price of their hardware down to PC type prices I'd probably have bought one long ago.
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The $100 laptop will be a reality soon - does that mean every other pc will be overpriced? Just because apples are high end computers it doesnt mean they're overprices. Similar spec pc's from Dell and HP are available in the same price range.
supersunbird
Honorary Master
Maybe he is thinking like cheapskate me about cheap dualcore PC's with cheap 3800+'s lol