Mac vs PC

Yeah, thats price is quite excessive compared to a PC with the same innards, but I bet its a typical SA ripoff going on...

My Windows XP also never crashes, does that mean no one elses Windows XP never crashes Bwana?

And to whomever speculated about the build quality? The Apple laptops had a few problems, and basically the Apple is just a PC with a different case, everything gets put together (like legos) in a factory just like most other PCs...
 
bwana said:
I say get a PC.That's only the low end - iow the mini and macbook - everything else has dedicated graphics. ;)
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Really sucky dedicated graphics.
Even my old Sis S3 with 4MB or VRAM can be considered "dedicated graphics".

Take a look at the Macbook Pro
It costs about R25000 and has a pathetic ATI X1600 Mobile card for graphics.
Now take the difference in price and go and see what PC graphics cards you can buy with about R15K ... :rolleyes:

You're paying for a brand name - not for the hardware.
 
PearlJam said:
OK, i see on the local apple site this machine:

Mac Pro R 20 053 (entry level)

Two 2GHz Dual-Core Intel Xeon
1GB (2 x 512MB)
250GB 7200-rpm Serial ATA 3Gb/s
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB (single-link DVI/dual-link DVI)
One 16x SuperDrive

Is 1gb ram in mac comparable to 1gb in a pc, performance wise?

This seems to be quite excessively priced. Is it safe to say the difference between this and a pc of the same standard (components) would be the OS, the "mac build quality", ???.

I'm am not a person that want to buy something just to be able to say i have brand X or Y. It is all about performance per rand for me, but i am willing to pay a premium for stability.
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That same PC would cost about half of that.
 
I just spent the weekend playing with a G5 iMac. I was lucky enough to be able to loan it from a friend. At the end of the weekend I really don't see any difference between Mac or PC for normal home use (Email, photo's etc) except the way it looks. Professional use I cannot comment on.

Using the mac is a pleasure but not much different to normal PC. There is one Mac app that I specifcally want (GarageBand) that I have not found a peer for in PC software. There are other apps out there but none as easy to use as GarageBand.

All the other stuff is essentially the same email, internet all the usual stuff. I didn't get a chance to test apps like stock control and basic accounting (for running a small business) but I have read lots of reviews on these and they seem to be readily available, mature and well suported for Mac.

From my point of view it comes down to cost of ownership. It seems PC's are cheaper to buy and I'm much more confidant in after sales service on a PC than on Mac because of the limited stockists etc of MAC.

I also get the feeling that in the not to distant future MAC OS will run fine on PC so I'm going to stick to PC for now.

Hope this helps. It's all my own opinion/experience.
 
Paul_S said:
Really sucky dedicated graphics.
Even my old Sis S3 with 4MB or VRAM can be considered "dedicated graphics".

Take a look at the Macbook Pro
It costs about R25000 and has a pathetic ATI X1600 Mobile card for graphics.
Now take the difference in price and go and see what PC graphics cards you can buy with about R15K ... :rolleyes:

You're paying for a brand name - not for the hardware.
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There's nothing pathetic about the macbook pro's graphic card, you'd know that if you'd ever used the MBP. I've never come across an external screen it wouldn't run at full speed.

Since we're talking about a laptop so the next argument "take the difference in price and go and see what PC graphics cards you can buy with about R15K" doesnt really make any sense. Are PC laptop graphic cards interchangeable or removable? Why would you want to buy just a graphic card? :confused:

Ask yourself - if mac's are so overpriced and if there's nothing special about the hardware then why do so few people switch back to generic PCs?

Anyway - as I said he should get a PC.
Gnome said:
So are you of the opinion that it's impossible for a Mac to crash?
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No - what I said is with the past two versions of osx I've never had a crash and PeterCH would probably make the same claim. If you want a kernel panic you'd be best served by running this :D
 
Then to sum up with the responses so far. PC is better than Mac considering the price you have to pay for a mac, the upgradability and the performance?
 
PearlJam said:
Then to sum up with the responses so far. PC is better than Mac considering the price you have to pay for a mac, the upgradability and the performance?
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Nope.

Buy a PC anyway.
 
icyrus said:
I am sure both of you can backup your claims with some hard evidence because you wouldn't be hear mouthing off without some sort of proof right?
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No I wouldn't. can drag up some stats if you like...Give me a second. :)
 
I think he meant that you can build a equivalent PC (hardware wise) for less but as far as I know the only way to run OSx on a PC not bought from Mac is using some kind of hack or something?

Anyway how much does that Mac cost anyway, holy crap two quad core Intel Xeon processors!!!

Seems very excessive! :D
 
icyrus said:
I am sure both of you can backup your claims with some hard evidence because you wouldn't be hear mouthing off without some sort of proof right?
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I got to go out now, so I can't search for stuff like I wanted to .

Off my head though
250Gb HDD - R700
1GB DDR800 RAM - R1000
DVD-Writer - R350
Some kind of decent gfx- R1000- R2000. 7300 GT goes for like R1400
CPU - 2GB dualcore XEON go for like R3500 a pop so that's another 7k


Which makes R10 450...The mobo's go for like 4 grand, which I did not know.

So my estimate was WRONG. But that still comes to like R5000- R6000 less than the MAC, doesn't it?

Did I miss anything?
 
bwana said:
Cool - then this one please -

http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html with the two 3.0GHz Quad-Core Intel Xeon 5300 series processors and it has to run Vista, Linux and OsX.
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:eek: :eek:

That is one hectic computer man!

I will get to that later. Still think the PC equivalent will work otu cheaper, but I don't normally move in the double dual-core 3GB sphere so I stand to correction ;)
 
hj2k_x said:
I got to go out now, so I can't search for stuff like I wanted to .

Off my head though
250Gb HDD - R700
1GB DDR800 RAM - R1000
DVD-Writer - R350
Some kind of decent gfx- R1000- R2000. 7300 GT goes for like R1400
CPU - 2GB dualcore XEON go for like R3500 a pop so that's another 7k


Which makes R10 450...The mobo's go for like 4 grand, which I did not know.

So my estimate was WRONG. But that still comes to like R5000- R6000 less than the MAC, doesn't it?

Did I miss anything?
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No assembled white-box machines. Quote a dell/hp/etc.. price.
 
hj2k_x said:
That is never what I said, nor what I meant.
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In that case you should be questioning everyone who's ever bought a Dell, HP, Sony etc because that would be a more accurate comparison.

Most people cant build their own machines and even if they could most people wouldn't even want to.
 
bwana said:
In that case you should be questioning everyone who's ever bought a Dell, HP, Sony etc because that would be a more accurate comparison.

Most people cant build their own machines and even if they could most people wouldn't even want to.
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They're missing out, can tell you that :p

Just got a new GF8800GTS and man this thing is KICK ASS!
 
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