Macro Methods

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I see there are a few methods that one can use to take macro photos - but you can combine?
Is one better than another?

Obviously a macro lens ... tubes ... teleconverter ... reversing lenses ... is buying the lens the best?
 
I was at ORMS 2 weeks ago.. also interested in Macro...so they convinced me the best quality CHEAP method is extension tubes after testing... ok.. went home...played around... thought "meh"... seeing as the kenko 3 extension tubes cost about R2600... so i went back the next day..and spent the money... and bought the Sigma 105mm macro lens.. Image quality MUCH better..autofocus... and colour reproduction and clarity is excellent... and for portrait photography it works very well too... but I purchased the lens because macro does fascinate me a bit.. if you just going to do random once in a blue moon.. maybe cheaper options more cost effective?

My flickr... all the recent top pics are with the macro lens.. including the first 2 of the rocks and sea...
 
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I see there are a few methods that one can use to take macro photos - but you can combine?
Is one better than another?

Obviously a macro lens ... tubes ... teleconverter ... reversing lenses ... is buying the lens the best?

That depends entirely on what you want to photograph. The key parameter is what magnification you are interested in. For the sake of the argument, let us assume you are using a APS-C sensor camera with a sensor of roughly 23.5 mm by 15.6 mm.

a) With a magnification of 1:1, or 1x, your subject scene will be exactly 23.5 mm by 15.6 mm. This is sufficient for flowers and large insects. If this is what you are aiming for, then buy a macro lens.

a2. Close-up filter. This is essentially a magnifying glass that screws into your normal filter threads, reducing your minimum focus distance. Good close up filters are expensive, those Kenko sets are not all that great (personal experience here). The only application where close-up filters are the best choice is for improving your working distance (distance between your lens and the subject). Sticking a close-up filter onto a 200 mm telephoto is one of the better ways of photographing things like dragonflies in the wild. (This is typically in the < 1x magnification territory, so it competes with "normal" macro lenses, but long focal length macro lenses are very expensive).


b) If you are interested in smaller subjects (jumping spiders, for example), then you will need 1.5x to 3x magnification (i.e., subject scene is about 16 mm to 8 mm wide). This is not achievable with an off-the-shelf macro lens, with the exception of the Canon MP-E 65 mm lens, which does 1x to 5x magnification. You have several options here:

b1. Auto extension tubes. Not a bad choice if you are shooting "in the wild", typically without a tripod. The "auto" part of the tubes give you auto exposure and even auto focus, although AF is not really that useful at these magnification levels.

b2. "dumb" extension tubes. Cheapest option, but you will have to buy them online. If you are working in more controlled conditions, providing your own lighting etc., then you do not require (or want) auto exposure, and auto focus is really not necessary --- you will be using live view manual focussing anyway.

b3. Extension tubes with reversing adaptor. This is not all that different from the normal way of using extension tubes, except that many prime lenses produce much better image quality when reversed. I am reasonably happy with the Nikkor 35 mm AF-S f/1.8 when reversed, with or without an extension tube. Because of the reverse mount you do not need auto extension tubes, so you might just as well get "dumb" tubes. Setting aperture is harder --- I wedge the aperture lever with whatever is at hand (piece of bamboo skewer trimmed with a utility knife). With a Canon lens, you unscrew the lens while the aperture is stopped down (or so I hear) --- do this at your own risk.

Your overall image quality with this approach (tubes with/without reversing) can be excellent, but this depends entirely on the lens you use. It is important to understand how extension tubes work: you are moving the lens further from the sensor. Since the angle of view of the lens is fixed, this means that only the central part of the image projected by your lens will fall on the sensor (the "sides" will be absorbed by the black lining of the lens and throat of the camera). Two things happen: you get less light (because you are only using a fraction of the lens' field of view), so your effective f-number increases, and lens aberrations are magnified by the same factor as the subject image. Sticking a kit zoom lens on an extension tube is not going to give you good results. A decent prime stopped down to the f/4 - f/8 range is going to give you much better image quality.

You may have to consider focus stacking, since the depth of field becomes ridiculously thin at 1x or greater magnification.

b4. Bellows. If you can find some, this is equivalent to having a variable extension tube. You may even get some auto controls, but do not count on it. Bellows are thus suitable for the 1x to 10x range.

b5. Reverse-mount one lens onto another. Not my favourite approach, since you end up with the combined weaknesses of both lenses. Reverse mounting a wide angle (say, 35 mm) prime onto a telephoto prime (100 mm or longer) might actually give you good results, but you will have to experiment. I bought two cheap filter adaptors, and epoxied them together (back-to-back) to make a cheap adaptor, but you can buy them online.


A few more tips: Focal length only affects working distance, not maximum magnification. A 200 mm 1:1 macro lens will give you exactly the same magnification as a 40 mm 1:1 macro lens, but you will have to be much closer to the subject with the 40 mm lens. The 90~105 mm range of macro lenses are a versatile choice, since they can be used for other types of photography too (e.g., portraits). The 40 mm class is mostly for flowers or other still-life subjects --- they might actually be quite good with extension tubes + reverse mounting, but I have not tried that yet.

Summary: If you want to photograph really small subjects, then a macro lens is not your first choice. Bellows/extension tubes and reverse-mounting are more suitable choices for extreme magnification, but they require a fair bit of effort to use.
 
Thanks for the detail!

Check this lens :

http://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-mp-e-65mm-f-2-8-1-5x-macro-lens

Up to 5x magnification for R11,200.00 - but would a 2 x TC on this lens help with working distance?

I think it would (but have no real experience with TCs). Of course, adding a TC is just like adding a magnifying glass to the back of your macro lens, i.e., you are selecting only the central region (50% in each direction) of the image, and projecting that back onto the sensor. This will have the same effect as adding an extension tube in terms of light loss (2 stops for 2xTC, I think), and it will magnify your lens artifacts by the same factor.

So ... setting the lens to 1x magnification plus a 2xTC should give you 2x magnification, but at the same focus distance as the 1x magnification (which would obviously be further away than the native 2x magnification). Image quality will be worse than the native 2x setting, so no free lunch.

I would definitely try this first before buying.

What are you planning on photographing?
 
I did look at that option. but NOT for the faint hearted...very difficult to use.. NO focus ring.. you move the camera.. and 1mm movement basically between focus and blur.or pressing the shutter button... just too much effort for me and not practical outside.. but i did like the 5X... Oh, and you going to need a ring flash most probably... not worth it in my opinion..

What did you use fvdbergh to take that pic of spider and ant? reverse lens?

This guy explains it quite well:

[video=youtube;R9RP62Se-lM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9RP62Se-lM[/video]

Thanks for the detail!

Check this lens :

http://www.ormsdirect.co.za/canon-mp-e-65mm-f-2-8-1-5x-macro-lens

Up to 5x magnification for R11,200.00 - but would a 2 x TC on this lens help with working distance?
 
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Thanks! Nice price on that one!

Kronos - that 1mm differnce at 5x though?

I used to love the odd macro shot on my p&s camera when I went to Kruger. I'm not too sure if they were just close or true macro - but I have nothing now
 
I did look at that option. but NOT for the faint hearted...very difficult to use.. NO focus ring.. you move the camera.. and 1mm movement basically between focus and blur.or pressing the shutter button... just too much effort for me and not practical outside.. but i did like the 5X... Oh, and you going to need a ring flash most probably... not worth it in my opinion..

What did you use fvdbergh to take that pic of spider and ant? reverse lens?

Yes, I usually use an extension tube (PK13) plus reversing ring + prime lens. Some of my macro photos are single-shot, but I usually do focus stacking. I also have an old Nikkor manual focus 105 mm macro lens (most recent spider + wasp shot I posted used that lens).

The secret is to use a tripod and a focusing rail, but this requires a lot of patience when your subject is running all over the place.

Having said that, I know the guy who takes those amazing jumping spider shots usually shoots handheld. I suppose it just takes lots of practice.
 
Kronos - that 1mm differnce at 5x though?

No. Depth of field is already very, very narrow at 2x magnification. Download a copy of VWDOF (google toothwalker).
At 2x magnification f/8, your depth of field is only 0.235 mm. You can stop down some more, but even f/16 gives you only 0.47 mm DOF. More importantly, as you stop down more the image becomes drastically less sharp because of increasing diffraction softening. (my figures based on APS-C sensor)

I used to love the odd macro shot on my p&s camera when I went to Kruger. I'm not too sure if they were just close or true macro - but I have nothing now

The small sensor on a P&S makes it easier to do macro, since you typically have more DOF than you would have on a larger sensor. It is a rather long argument to demonstrate this thoroughly, but smaller sensors can be beneficial in macro photography, provided you have sufficient light.
 
@fvdbergh, there's no need to take a Canon lens apart to change the aperture when reversed. Put the lens on the camera, select the aperture you want to use, hold down DOF Preview and remove the lens while keeping DOF Preview held down. The lens will come off with the aperture stepped down to whatever you've selected.

R2800 is far too much for extension tubes, I got my three (13mm, 24mm and 31mm I think, I'm not home at the moment) for R500 with the electronic pass through for aperture control and autofocus. The quality is fine, they just add extra air, no extra elements.
 
One more question :

Is a crop or FF better for macro ... ?

Would the MP-E I mentioned above have benefits on either?
 
1. The mpe-65 takes a lot of getting used to.
2. If you're really interested in macro, you will definitely need a flash something along the lines of Canon's twin flash
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/speedlite_flash/macro_twin_lite_MT-24EX/
3. If you're wanting to photograph living things in the wild, you must be able to photograph hand held - insects don't give you a chance to set up your tripod and rails.
4. A crop sensor gets you a bigger final image than "ff", otoh, the optical quality of the "ff" sensor is often good enough to allow you to crop down to the same object size as the crop sensor.
 
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They say that with the MP-E is pretty much impossible to do handheld over 3 x magnification ... is it impossible, really really tough - or just tough?
 
I have a bellows setup that does great macro work. Most of the time I just use a p&s with good macro capability simply because it is easier (do a lot of this for my work).

The main drawback of the p&s is the more limited dynamic range in the photo. If you need to differentiate between tonally similar areas then an SLR is the way to go. Otherwise the p&s will be cheaper than a proper macro lens.
 
They say that with the MP-E is pretty much impossible to do handheld over 3 x magnification ... is it impossible, really really tough - or just tough?

Well, I found that hand-held with a reversed lens at 2.8x to is still possible, but you have to grab multiple shots and be lucky.

To give you some idea: using vwdof.exe (you can grab it off Toothwalker's site, I think), I ran the numbers for a 65 mm lens (pupil ratio of 1, don't know if this is correct for the MPE) set to f/8.

1. At 3x magnification, your DOF is 0.139 mm, and
2. At 5x magnification, your DOF is 0.075 mm (that is 75 micron, roughly the thickness of a human hair)

So as you can see from the numbers, getting a "slice" of just 0.075 in thickness to line up with the eye of the bug you are photographing can be quite hard. As long as the bug is stationary, you can probably get lucky by using burst mode while moving (ever so slightly) from a front-focused to back-focused distance. With practice, I think this is certainly possible.

Of course, if you have to add in the flash, you might not be able to burst properly (depending on flash power). But you can still take 100 shots, and look for the one that might be in focus.
 
Here, a pic of a common house fly, uncropped, taken with a Canon 350d (my preferred camera for macro because of the weight), single off camera flash, f/13, 1/160s (manual), Sigma 105 macro lens, 72mm of Kenko tubes (all three in the Kenko set), handheld (manual focus). From the sums I've done, the 3 Kenko tubes on a 1:1 macro lens will give you about 2.6x lifesize:

Fly_1317-M.jpg


From the pic you can see what fvdbergh is talking about wrt depth of field. At f/13, all that is properly in focus is the body of the fly.
 
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