Maimane admits to having problems with Die Stem

requiem said:
How much tax is paid by each language?
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Given that white monopoly capital from the apartheid era owns everything in this country after they stole it from the natives ... you'd find Afrikaans speakers collectively pay more tax than any other language in this country ;)
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Given that white monopoly capital from the apartheid era owns everything in this country after they stole it from the natives ... you'd find Afrikaans speakers collectively pay more tax than any other language in this country ;)
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Stole it from the natives? Top kek.

More like used them to build everything ;)
 
Hot debates on Twitter and FB about this issue too... Read this on a friend's timeline this morning

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NarrowBandFtw said:
Given that white monopoly capital from the apartheid era owns everything in this country after they stole it from the natives ... you'd find Afrikaans speakers collectively pay more tax than any other language in this country ;)
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Sarcasm? If anything Anglo-everything owns everything and they're hardly Afrikaans speaking.
 
unskinnybob said:
Sarcasm? If anything Anglo-everything owns everything and they're hardly Afrikaans speaking.
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The bit that they stole it is sarcasm. The bit that Afrikaners have the most collective wealth in ZA is just facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_billionaires_by_net_worth

The top 4 richest people in ZA are all Afrikaners, the next 16 most richest together still have less wealth than the top 4. Then throw in the Afrikaner millionaires and high powered CEO's and yes, not to perpetuate the BS that they've built success on apartheid, but the bulk of ZA wealth still sits in Afrikaner hands.

EDIT: sorry, Oppenheimer doesn't really count I guess, I'd bet he's fluent in die taal though
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
The bit that they stole it is sarcasm. The bit that Afrikaners have the most collective wealth in ZA is just facts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_South_African_billionaires_by_net_worth

The top 4 richest people in ZA are all Afrikaners, the next 16 most richest together still have less wealth than the top 4. Then throw in the Afrikaner millionaires and high powered CEO's and yes, not to perpetuate the BS that they've built success on apartheid, but the bulk of ZA wealth still sits in Afrikaner hands.

EDIT: sorry, Oppenheimer doesn't really count I guess, I'd bet he's fluent in die taal though
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The wealth of individuals is not proportionate to the ownership of equity by the total population or subset that speak the same language. As at 8 Nov 2014 the total JSE market capitalisation was R10 trillion and the value of equity/shares under black control was approximately R300 billion. Those rich afrikaans guys combined wealth is a drop in the bucket by comparison. Not to mention "english" foreign ownership.
 
I'm all right with them replacing the Afrikaans part of the anthem with something else (that is also Afrikaans), just gives us Afrikaans people a part we understand please.
 
CorrieDeBeer said:
I'm all right with them replacing the Afrikaans part of the anthem with something else (that is also Afrikaans), just gives us Afrikaans people a part we understand please.
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So the Afrikaans part of the anthem is what's considered offensive?
 
Slootvreter said:
So the Afrikaans part of the anthem is what's considered offensive?
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No the part of the anthem that was part of the anthem during apartheid is the problem. Just get some Afrikaans poet to write something new. Die Stem is too loaded of a song anyway. For nation building sake I'm willing to compromise on this.
 
CorrieDeBeer said:
I'm all right with them replacing the Afrikaans part of the anthem with something else (that is also Afrikaans), just gives us Afrikaans people a part we understand please.
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Vir my klippies & my tjoppie sal ek sterwe!

Comprende?
 
CorrieDeBeer said:
No the part of the anthem that was part of the anthem during apartheid is the problem. Just get some Afrikaans poet to write something new. Die Stem is too loaded of a song anyway. For nation building sake I'm willing to compromise on this.
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Can you quote the problematic part? TO be honest, I can't remember, nor do I really care.
 
Slootvreter said:
Can you quote the problematic part? TO be honest, I can't remember, nor do I really care.
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Think he meant "Die Stem" as a whole being associated with apartheid. Read his reply in context to the post he was replying on.
 
Slootvreter said:
Can you quote the problematic part? TO be honest, I can't remember, nor do I really care.
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Don't think the wording is a problem (it's pretty neutral)...that people sang it in support of South Africa as it was during apartheid, is the issue.
 
unskinnybob said:
As at 8 Nov 2014 the total JSE market capitalisation was R10 trillion and the value of equity/shares under black control was approximately R300 billion
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There is no data source that can state that with any kind of accuracy, when I buy shares the broker doesn't ask me about my skin color or home language at all.

Foreign ownership can be entirely ignored in a discussion about the national anthem too.

EDIT: also why fixate on equity ownership? the original comment was about tax contribution, a wealthy person will be making large tax contributions regardless of how many shares they own.
 
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