Major Setback for DA

[JungleBoy]

It seems if you don't put blacks on posters its racism, if you do put blacks on posters its patronising. So please tell me siphox, which is it?

I only see Zuma on ANC posters, btw, does that mean the ANC is only for black males? I guess so, using sipho's logic.

tokenism.

Tokenism refers to a policy or practice of limited inclusion of members of a minority group, usually creating a false appearance of inclusive practices, intentional or not. Typical examples in real life and fiction comprehend purposely including a member of a minority race (such as a black character in a mainly white cast, or vice versa) into a group

from Wiki

 

[kilps]

If floor crossing is allowed, why not this?

1. Floor Crossing is immoral in itself - here we vote for a party, not a person - so there is no good reason why a person should be allowed to take that vote for one party to another
2. Changing parties for money means that that person is more concerned about self enrichment than representing the people - which is contrary to the ideals of public office

 

[semiautomatix]

tokenism.


from Wiki

Sounds... about... right... for the ANC.

 

[Drake2007]

I would love to see a party take the moral high ground... and put in the party consitution.. anyone who has commited a crime and proved guilty (court of law) should not be allow to be in any seat or position of power..

With the courty going the ways it is the time for second chances is gone.

I will vote for that party

Read the DA's Manifesto, they do have and enforce that.

 

[Drake2007]

The DA must find more (competent) black people and put them in leadership positions if it wants to increase its voter base..

That's not how it works, You don't get put in leadership positions you earn your position by proving your competence.

If the DA wants to remain an opposition party forever and wants to just rule the Western Cape then that's its choice and that's fine, but if it wants more vote and wants to one day rule this country then it has to find hardworking black people.

Wrong sorry to dissapoint you, the DA wants to be the rulling party, not the opposition party.

Despite what many people think, there are a lot of productive, competent, hardworking, unselfish black people in this country.

On that you are very right.

 

[Voicy]

To all these cheerful folk giving their highly educated opinions on the evil DA - have any of you ever visited the DA's offices in parliament to meet the workforce behind the public face?

You'd be pretty surprised at the dedication they put in to improve OUR country...and all of this is done while running a party off donations - not taxpayers money. You'd be mistaken if you think their CEO, Ryan Coetzee, lives in a fancy house in Camps Bay...

 

[JungleBoy]

To all these cheerful folk giving their highly educated opinions on the evil DA - have any of you ever visited the DA's offices in parliament to meet the workforce behind the public face?

You'd be pretty surprised at the dedication they put in to improve OUR country...and all of this is done while running a party off donations - not taxpayers money. You'd be mistaken if you think their CEO, Ryan Coetzee, lives in a fancy house in Camps Bay...

But all political parties are run on donations, including the ruling party

 

[charlie_82]

I can't seem to find it online just yet, but there was a news report about 2 weeks ago (SABC 3) showing estimated election budgets...

ANC: roughly R500 million
DA: few 10's of millions

 

[thatdamnJoe]

As long as the DA continues to patronise black people as it does it will never be seen as realistic in its inclusion of blacks in its ranks. Just check out the election posters, the only white person is Zille. The others are Indians and blacks. I mean the DA is supported mostly by whites yet there is no other white person besides Zille.
Do they believe that we blacks don't see what they are trying to do? Please Zille, I know you are not racist so stop using racist tactics to attract blacks. You are killing the party.

Patronise black people how? You mean by what is on their election posters?

Please tell me you are joking and dont really look at those posters and go :" Hey, there are three people on this poster, why is no one black?"

 

[R/SGT]

Why even bother with these election posters, they are definitaly not going to influence how people vote.

Plus they are a bit of an eyesore.

Possibly what we need is a new party that does not contain a lot of historical baggage in terms of history and members. Rather start with a clean slate.

Although I doubt that will happen.

 

[JungleBoy]

I can't seem to find it online just yet, but there was a news report about 2 weeks ago (SABC 3) showing estimated election budgets...

ANC: roughly R500 million
DA: few 10's of millions

DA 's size is not even a fifth of the ANC, surely you cannot expect them to have an equal budget allocation

If I'm not mistaken a party will get budget allocation based on their representation in parliament. But still this is for election campaigns (during election time), the day to day running of the parties is done through money from donors and membership fees.

 

[charlie_82]

DA 's size is not even a fifth of the ANC, surely you cannot expect them to have an equal budget allocation

If I'm not mistaken a party will get budget allocation based on their representation in parliament. But still this is for election campaigns (during election time), the day to day running of the parties is done through money from donors and membership fees.

By that, the ANC will always a bigger budget and because they have a bigger budget, they will have votes. And so the spiral continues.

Where's the room for competition?

 

[JungleBoy]

By that, the ANC will always a bigger budget and because they have a bigger budget, they will have votes. And so the spiral continues.

Where's the room for competition?

let's take footaball for a example.

The big 4 of England (Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal) dominate the league because they have more support and therefore have more money....to spend on quality players.
For any of the smaller teams to overthrow the big 4, they must garner more support. For them to get more support they must play well and win trophies, for them to play well they need qualit players, which requires lots of money.(chicken and egg)
However this analogy does not fit exactly in politics.

Voters are not woed by expensive election campains. Voters are attracted more by the ideals of the party rather than the posters and the expensive electioneering.

 

[charlie_82]

let's take footaball for a example.

The big 4 of England (Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal) dominate the league because they have more support and therefore have more money....to spend on quality players.
For any of the smaller teams to overthrow the big 4, they must garner more support. For them to get more support they must play well and win trophies, for them to play well they need qualit players, which requires lots of money.(chicken and egg)
However this analogy does not fit exactly in politics.

Voters are not woed by expensive election campains. Voters are attracted more by the ideals of the party rather than the posters and the expensive electioneering.

Voters are woed by free houses & electricity etc. Which they are promised at every election and then only provided with when the next election approaches. And that's not to say that any other party would not provide such services.

The ANC doesn't provide these homes etc as a duty to it's country, they do it as a ploy to obtain favour and votes.

And please, you cannot compare politics and democracy to football!?!?!?!?

 

[Kornhub]

Don't care what your colour is,if you are doing your job right then you have my thumbs up

 

[charlie_82]

Don't care what your colour is,if you are doing your job right then you have my thumbs up

+1
I think that's all we want. It's like we're becoming more race conscious now that we were during Apartheid.
Back then, non-whites were suppressed, now we are all suppressed... by crime, by inflation, by employment etc etc etc

And before I get labeled a racist, I am not white