Man 'executed' in farm attack

[Palimino]

Some white South Africans do not like having the 2010 soccer WC in their country. However, they must realise one thing: the soccer WC will do a lot in exposing what South Africa is all about. Is one thing to hear about something and another to experience it first hand.

Yeah, that.

 

[STS]

@Smalltown Well, you see the murders - if whites kill blacks. The point is 'inter-racial' murders. If white kills white or black kills black is not as news worthy. I personally do not agree with that. All murders are just that -MURDERS.

i agree with you to a point that not ever female murder by a man is a sexist murder. there are a lot of motives for murder, and i'm not denying some people would kill someone based on racism, i'm just saying not EVERY single case of murder is white genocide.

However, inter-racial ones, seem to hit the news with a much bigger explosion. Quite a number of South Africans email me stories about farm murders and stuff.

this is my biggest criticism of the whole white genocide story, surely it can't hurt their cause to post EVERY victim's story, yet they stick just to the white victims. to me it's just dishonest, and if they can accuse the ANC of hiding white farm murders then they should equally be accused of hiding how much black people are affected by crime and murder too.

If is not inter racial I don't bother spreading the news. What I think and what the news business wants - is not the same thing. After Malema becomes your state president (and he will eventually), we are going to see a very difficult time for Europeans residing in South Africa.

i heard this in 1994 with Mandela, in 2002 with Mbeki and recently with Zuma. maybe you're right, but my personal experiences has been that people have always predicted the worst and things have always been okay. it's becoming like that story where the child cried wolf, and one day when it does come people are going to sigh and wave it off. were people not being honest in 1994 and 2002?

The question is: How much can the world take until the bubble will bust. No question, the whites treated you people like dogs and now they must pay.

i AM white

Nothing wrong with that (at least in my books). The question is - is murder acceptable? Now, with this I have a problem and so does your present government (well, at least on paper).

murder is unacceptable, but so is lying and distorting facts. i don't really trust statistics and everyone here seems to be pulling out statistics from god knows where when i have no idea who the people involved were or how it was conducted. despite this, i hope(sincerely, dearly) that people can be logical and balanced in their views, and people are often not thinking clearly when they start typing.

Not a easy/pleasant issue and the developments will be followed with interest by the world community. Let's hope for the sake of everyone, South Africa will somehow manage to avoid turning into a second Mozambique or Kenya or Somalia or DRC or . . .

why are we always comparing countries to one another? do we compare america to europe? do we compare australia to japan? i don't know why people compare south africa to other african countries when black people are just as unique as white people when they had chances to build countries. if greece doesn't deal with their rioting soon, will they turn onto a france? or if britian lets more foreigners in, will they turn into a portugal? our country and future is unique, and we're still a growing country, but we'll always be great.

 

[Gomario]

Most of your points are valid however you fool yourself if you believe South Africa of today (after Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma) is just as safe as it was before them ! Secondly, ask yourself the question: who are the killers and who are the victims (inter racial ones). If the numbers are not the same on both sides then you live in a fantasie world. And finally - I don't care what race you are. You'll probably be very surprised to hear what race I am - is irrelevant though. Honestly, I don't give a ***** if you are a monkey, a Klingon, a neural supercomputer, etc. etc. - as long as you reason well, you are my friend, even if we totally disagree.

 

[Blah!Blah!]

Over the weekend? You cited articles going back to September.

you are right, mybad it was early in the morning and I clicked related links and must off misread the dates.

ONLY the first farm murder happened over the weekend, sorry for wrong information.

 

[TheHiveMind]

Why no mention of this one -

http://www.news24.com/Content/South...b0cf7a/06-12-2009-10-52/3_die_in_farm_scuffle



The caretaker was ....white.

According to our demographics alone (10% white, 80% black), you will need to find 8 articles like that for each singular article that was posted by the op.

 

[happychappy]

According to our demographics alone (10% white, 80% black), you will need to find 8 articles like that for each singular article that was posted by the op.

and he had to search 5 hours to find the article

 

[Fudzy]

Sigh... why are so many users to adamant on turning this section into mysasucks.com? Try keep the information current as the title suggests.

 

[STS]

and he had to search 5 hours to find the article

most murderers have nothing to lose, almost no property or hope for their future. how does that differ from the majority of white people? in european countries white people that grew up in slums are more likely to commit murder and robberies. as a minority in southern africa, when they're not running away, getting murdered, evicted and kicked out with BEE, i'm sure some white people can find time to murder somebody

 

[STS]

Most of your points are valid however you fool yourself if you believe South Africa of today (after Mandela, Mbeki and Zuma) is just as safe as it was before them ! Secondly, ask yourself the question: who are the killers and who are the victims (inter racial ones). If the numbers are not the same on both sides then you live in a fantasie world. And finally - I don't care what race you are. You'll probably be very surprised to hear what race I am - is irrelevant though. Honestly, I don't give a ***** if you are a monkey, a Klingon, a neural supercomputer, etc. etc. - as long as you reason well, you are my friend, even if we totally disagree.

1. You do not have to murder someone to be racist. I don't know how anyone came to this conclusion, just like you don't have to rape women to be sexist.

2. South Africa IS different today, because now there is a larger population to support. More people = more work.

3. Due to demographics there are MORE black people in southern africa than white people. if you want "same on both sides" you're being unrealistic.

 

[thatdamnJoe]

and the racists will act like the whites are puritans that can do nothing wrong. why isn't anyone questioning the legitimacy of these stories like they did with the racist neighbour? when the police deal with a crime properly we think they're doctoring the facts, but when they do something stupid we all roll our eyes and whinge?

You were expecting something along the lines of "he was probably looking for it" or "thats not the whole story, he must have deserved it somehow" to equate this to the black neighbour thread?

No? Well that's because its obvious to everyone by now that farm murders are very different to 'random' murders such as botched hijackings or knife fights gone wrong.

The levels of violence and the unneccesary and premeditated nature of these murders after the attackers have supposedly gotten what they came for(robbery) makes it quite clear that it is all about the victim's race.

You truly are blind if you cannot see that

sometimes i don't even post my thoughts because i think "why bother?" but i get sick of not bothering. i know plenty of people who have been killed, but you know what? i don't see one black person's death reported amongst those news articles, and i seldom ever do. and if once in a blue moon i DO find one, he is probably an ANC supporter and people are going on how he deserves it. so if people want to get pissy about anything, get pissy about the fact that people here have certain agendas and will shut their yes when real facts pop up.

P.S: we need more people like killadoob on this site

So now just because other murders dont ALSO make the news its somehow wrong to comment on the ones that do?

If anything, the media enjoys making a scene out of white perpetrators(Reitz, the black neighbours story etc etc) whereas as lot of times the comparative cruelty of some of these farm murders get a byline on page 3.

 

[STS]

You were expecting something along the lines of "he was probably looking for it" or "thats not the whole story, he must have deserved it somehow" to equate this to the black neighbour thread?

no, what i was looking for was the same people who made excuses in the other thread to make similiar excuses here. i mean from that thread were learnt that most media is CLEARLY distorted and sensationalism. what happened to them was terrible, but again people here are going to use them for their white crusade.

No? Well that's because its obvious to everyone by now that farm murders are very different to 'random' murders such as botched hijackings or knife fights gone wrong.

what about rapes? they do disgusting things to women in this country, especially black victims. there ARE terrible things happening to white farmers, but what pisses me off is people act like they're the ONLY ones.

The levels of violence and the unneccesary and premeditated nature of these murders after the attackers have supposedly gotten what they came for(robbery) makes it quite clear that it is all about the victim's race.

funny, they do the same thing to rape victims of the same race. but it's obviously all about their gender, they hate women because of apartheid.

You truly are blind if you cannot see that

listen, to you and all the other's who think they have "the truth". save your shakespearean and discuss this, don't preach or harp on.

So now just because other murders dont ALSO make the news its somehow wrong to comment on the ones that do?

no, it's WRONG to act like they don't happen just because they're not in the news and sensationalised with "farm attack!". how often do you read "shack attack"?

If anything, the media enjoys making a scene out of white perpetrators(Reitz, the black neighbours story etc etc) whereas as lot of times the comparative cruelty of some of these farm murders get a byline on page 3.

the media is the media, i'm not asking people to stop reading newspapers, i'm asking them to use common sense. every racist rushes to the defense of the white perpetrators which is typical. if even the racists condemned the peopel that deserved it i'd have more interest in the whole white genocide story

 

[thatdamnJoe]

no, what i was looking for was the same people who made excuses in the other thread to make similiar excuses here. i mean from that thread were learnt that most media is CLEARLY distorted and sensationalism. what happened to them was terrible, but again people here are going to use them for their white crusade.



what about rapes? they do disgusting things to women in this country, especially black victims. there ARE terrible things happening to white farmers, but what pisses me off is people act like they're the ONLY ones.



funny, they do the same thing to rape victims of the same race. but it's obviously all about their gender, they hate women because of apartheid.



listen, to you and all the other's who think they have "the truth". save your shakespearean and discuss this, don't preach or harp on.




no, it's WRONG to act like they don't happen just because they're not in the news and sensationalised with "farm attack!". how often do you read "shack attack"?



the media is the media, i'm not asking people to stop reading newspapers, i'm asking them to use common sense. every racist rushes to the defense of the white perpetrators which is typical. if even the racists condemned the peopel that deserved it i'd have more interest in the whole white genocide story

So who is denying this is also happening to blacks? You harp on about the
injustice of whites thinking they are the only victims. How do you come to this conclusion?

The media reports on certain crimes- people react to what they read/hear on the media. And now its 'our' fault they dont get the same airtime?

And I beg to differ - the victims of "shack attacks" dont seem to suffer the same levels of senseless cruelty that farm attacks have come to be known for. But since you have better information, perhaps you'd like to share your sources?

 

[Fudzy]

The media reports on certain crimes- people react to what they read/hear on the media. And now its 'our' fault they dont get the same airtime?

And I beg to differ - the victims of "shack attacks" dont seem to suffer the same levels of senseless cruelty that farm attacks have come to be known for. But since you have better information, perhaps you'd like to share your sources?

You hit the nail right there, unemployed shack dwellers don't draw the same sort of target audience that lines the pockets of the bigger newspaper distributors.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

So then if you extrapolate from the so called "media reports on certain crimes" part then there must be a staggering amount of murders. Crime stats still coming down?

 

[Fudzy]

So then if you extrapolate from the so called "media reports on certain crimes" part then there must be a staggering amount of murders. Crime stats still coming down?

Unfortunately not, if the crime stats are anything to go by there is an incredibly large number of crimes not being reported. On top of that you have probably have a lot of them going unreported/captured properly thanks to a dysfunctional legal system.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Exactly my point.

 

[thatdamnJoe]

You hit the nail right there, unemployed shack dwellers don't draw the same sort of target audience that lines the pockets of the bigger newspaper distributors.

uhuh

Your point being?

 

[STS]

So who is denying this is also happening to blacks? You harp on about the
injustice of whites thinking they are the only victims. How do you come to this conclusion?

it was in reply to this:

Originally Posted by DigitalSoldier View Post
the trolls will most probably blame the victims

and i LIKE DigitalSoldier. i posted that comment because people assume the story to be true when they agree with the topic, but at that stage everyone was defending every thread where the victim was a white person, that is the only reason i brought it up.

The media reports on certain crimes- people react to what they read/hear on the media. And now its 'our' fault they dont get the same airtime?

no, it's "our" fault to assume social problems are related to the amount of airtime they get on tv. name one boerevryheid movement where farm murders are not a driving force.

And I beg to differ - the victims of "shack attacks" dont seem to suffer the same levels of senseless cruelty that farm attacks have come to be known for. But since you have better information, perhaps you'd like to share your sources?

know what the best part is? people think brutal farm murders = black conspiracy! followed by pats on the back. you can't tell me you've completely missed the stories where women have been raped and stabbed repeatedly, where albinoes have have been chopped up to have their body parts used for muti and where old men's heads are bashed in or they are set on fire - all in the locations. so unless farm victims are wandering off into the night and painting themselves black then brutal attacks are happening against everyone. farm murders are in a category of their own, but to act like farmers are the only ones experiencing brutal attacks is in my eyes, and to quote you earlier, "blind".

 

[thatdamnJoe]

it was in reply to this:

and i LIKE DigitalSoldier. i posted that comment because people assume the story to be true when they agree with the topic, but at that stage everyone was defending every thread where the victim was a white person, that is the only reason i brought it up.

no, it's "our" fault to assume social problems are related to the amount of airtime they get on tv. name one boerevryheid movement where farm murders are not a driving force.

And why wouldnt the 'boerevryheid' movements be focused on farm murders? Their constituents' interests should be on the forefront of their minds. This is after all how any organisation is supposed to work. You look after your own interests first. I dont get why this is surprising to you.

know what the best part is? people think brutal farm murders = black conspiracy! followed by pats on the back. you can't tell me you've completely missed the stories where women have been raped and stabbed repeatedly, where albinoes have have been chopped up to have their body parts used for muti and where old men's heads are bashed in or they are set on fire - all in the locations. so unless farm victims are wandering off into the night and painting themselves black then brutal attacks are happening against everyone. farm murders are in a category of their own, but to act like farmers are the only ones experiencing brutal attacks is in my eyes, and to quote you earlier, "blind".

There are two issues here
[1] Farm murders seem to be racially motivated - as evidenced by the overwhelming ratios of attackers races vs victims and the associated senseless violence. These people are not just being robbed or killed to get to their assets or anything like that. They are sometimes held and tortured for hours before being executed. You want to compare muggings gone wrong or opportunistic robberies turned bad to meticulously planned and executed torture, rape and murder? If you have evidence the same type of crimes are happening to blacks Id like to ask you again to point me to your sources. A muti murder or a drunken shebeen stabbing or a botched cellphone theft doesn't count because they are fundamentally different.

[2] Blacks are also victims of horrific crimes. It just so happens there doesn't seem to be the same pattern to the crimes as with farm murders.

Why are you having trouble believing both are true?

 

[Vrotappel]

The genocide against white farmers continues.