Managed liberalisation was deeply flawed

I think any politician that just sits back and allow government to dictate their departments are a bunch of puppets, they should be individuals that argue the best case for that department and defends it.

Ivy sat by and just rubber stamped the elites views, so I still have little respect for her, and it is this attitude of the former MEC's that makes this new COPE party very dangerous as they all sat by when Mbeki ruined so many areas and centralised control.

I am glad she is gone, lets get some one in with the full competence needed to make this country one of the greatest in the world as we deserve nothing less than that.

So when are they sorting out the other incumbent departments?
 
World Wide Wanx speaking out of their sphincter again. Even if it was the case that she was "merely pursuing" "cabinet-backed policy directives", said cabinet could hardly have chosen someone less competent ( other than Manto maybe ).
 
She is the epitome of greed, croneyism and the kind of corruption that has come to be representative of the ANC.

Is she a human being? Does she have a brain? Yes? (however small and unused). Then she didn't have to behave that way. She had a choice. She could have put the needs of her own South African people ahead of the greed of her superiors.

She should bear the brunt and blame for her mis-directives, industry confusion, lack of growth, promotion of monopoly and general mismanagement.

History will paint her as a massive decade-long stumbling block to this country.
 
A recent column by Vodacom’s ex-CEO Alan Knott-Craig went one step further, saying that “the telecommunications industry has been fortunate to benefit from the light but firm touch of Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri and her team".
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Gee what a surprise. One of the incumbents that benefited from the protection offered by the DoC thinks that she did a good job. Where did AKC work before Vodacom? Telkom? Yup, thought so.
 
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Don't get me wrong: I don't for a moment suggest that Ivy did a good job; the point is that the previous Cabinet in general adopted a flawed policy and, in the context of rudderless leadership, that meant we would only see the status quo maintained. Ivy was a political appointee with no expertise in the area, and little understanding of the devastating implications of managed liberalisation (aside from the fact that it was good for the incumbents). The blame needs to be placed where it belongs, and those who insist on tackling only Ivy are being, at best, lazy in refusing to think through the chain of command, incompetence and lack of leadership.
Arthur
 
Knott-Craig also said that “in SA, a predictable and stable legislative environment has made the South African industry very attractive to foreign investors. Proof of this is that one month after the biggest financial crisis in decades, Vodacom’s UK shareholder, Vodafone, said that it would invest R22,5bn in SA to increase its share in Vodacom by 15%.”
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No, it's not because of "a predictable and stable legislative environment", but because of EXTREMELY high profit margins.
*sigh*
So, this is what an article coated with fact-hiding honey looks like.

oh ...

AND, it IS IVY's fault. If I was in her position with her knowledge of the sector, I would have immediately found somebody with the knowledge I required, and would have employed this person. Then, I would have consulted with the INDUSTRY THAT SHE IS SERVING, to understand the possibilities. Perhaps WWWorx should be read the ministers sworn in credo again.
 
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OFF WITH HER DAMN HEAD! She single handedly (sp) destroyed progress in the telecoms sector. Scrambling around to protect the fat cats that keep her pockets full..

If there was a poll about a single person/entity as to who held back progress, it would be her.



Oh wait there was one...

Can she not see the damage she has done? I guess she has been blinded by her greed. That's what irks me about this country. People who have no brains get put into power.
 
Perhaps you should examine the role played by her President. Why are all My Broadband forum members going for the easy target, namely Ivy, and refusing to attack the former president? The buck stopped at Thabo Mbeki for this entire decade, and it smacks of cowardice to refuse to examine his role in telecoms denialism.
Arthur
 
stoke said:
AND, it IS IVY's fault. If I was in her position with her knowledge of the sector, I would have immediately found somebody with the knowledge I required, and would have employed this person. Then, I would have consulted with the INDUSTRY THAT SHE IS SERVING, to understand the possibilities. Perhaps WWWorx should be read the ministers sworn in credo again.
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Obviously Ivy must carry much of the blame, but the buck does not stop with her and you are being thoroughly disingenuous by pointing to her credo when you know that is secondary to the fact that her appointment was an act of political patronage, in effect a nice retirement package. Perhaps you should read the President's statements over the years and his absolute failure to act on those statements.
 
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Perhaps you should examine the role played by her President. Why are all My Broadband forum members going for the easy target, namely Ivy, and refusing to attack the former president? The buck stopped at Thabo Mbeki for this entire decade, and it smacks of cowardice to refuse to examine his role in telecoms denialism.
Arthur
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I'm not sure about the "cowardice" bit, but yes. I would say the policy and the implementation thereof are two different things though, and I have had the suspicion for a long time that there is a "telecoms scandal" waiting to come out, that will make the "arms deal scandal" look cheap. If you know more, please point us to more info on Thab's direct involvement or lack thereof, apart from general cabinet policy settings.
 
Art2 said:
Perhaps you should examine the role played by her President. Why are all My Broadband forum members going for the easy target, namely Ivy, and refusing to attack the former president? The buck stopped at Thabo Mbeki for this entire decade, and it smacks of cowardice to refuse to examine his role in telecoms denialism.
Arthur
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Off with the ANCs' head! Actually not just the head... maybe from the head down to the waist area.
 
I agree, rwenzori. Ivy must take blame, along with her President, but the point is that she had absolutely no competencies in the ministry she was meant to lead. As such, she was merely going to be pursuing policy. I also agree that there is a telecoms scandal on a par with the arms deal, but I think the scandal could be unravelled with good investigative journalism rather than requiring leaked documents. Follow the money, as they say...
Arthur
 
You are letting Ivy off the hook Art. She may not have had competence in the telcoms arena but she had access to experts and she was certainly in the seat of power long enough to learn a thing or two (Over 5 years?). Im with Nictrons first post. Shes a spineless rubber stamper or she was misguided enough to think she was doing the right thing without ever making a good case for it to the public. Mbeki may ultimately have been at fault, but he too is just listening to what hes being told by his (often clueless)
ministers.(eg HIV treatment)
 
Hey Tommygun, I can't disagree with any of that. But I still say you are all letting Thabo Mbeki off the hook.
Arthur
 
hhmmm journalists should be interviewing smaller business at "grass root" level to get a true idea of the damage she has caused...
 
“the telecommunications industry has been fortunate to benefit from the light but firm touch of Communications Minister Ivy Matsepe-Casaburri and her team".
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We tend to refer to it as "The Scourge"
 
@Art2, please read these article and try to understand the attitude of Dr Ivy. Her actions do speak so much louder than .. well .. anything at all.

Here's a 2004 article that clearly describes Dr Ivy's approach to her work:
- http://www.itweb.co.za/sections/columnists/doubletake/weidemann040310.asp?S=Telecoms&A=TEL&O=TE ( "Minister Matsepe-Casaburri went on to regale the BEE mini-summit audience with another of her career embarrassments." )

A 2008 article that describes Dr Ivy's approach to Sentech:
- http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-03-10-ivy-begs-for-sentechs-survival
Sentech have budgeted to loose R59,1-million in 2008-2009. Ivy's approach is to throw more money at Sentech, instead of forcing Sentech to produce a proper workable plan. FAIL!.

These are 2 failures that have nothing to do with her mandate. They are failures in the way that she does her work.

I did a google search on Ivy Failed. Quite astounding.
 
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