Manual transmissions

rietrot said:
Okay in all honesty, the speeding up and then braking heavily thing which you guys seem to do in heavy traffic is counter productive and it creates a chain reaction that slows traffic down more.
If you give yourself a bit of a following distance and just sit back and relax and crawl along at a constant speed the traffic will flow better.
You don't have to press in the clutch all the time, you don't have to brake all the time, just relax.
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Do you never drive in rush hour traffic?

Even in Durban the trip home would be infinitely better and more relaxing with an Auto, and I intend on getting one when I get a new(ish) car next year.
 
Mike Hoxbig said:
Good luck doing that in a gridlock, when you're moving 5 meters at a time every 30-60 seconds. And that's without a taxi cutting into the tiny gap you've created.

You can advocate for a manual as much as you want, but don't peddle bullschit about scenarios that don't exist in the real world...
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You're being overly dramatic. I drive 100km each day part of that on the R21 N1 and N4.
Try driving properly one day and come back and thank me tomorrow.
 
rietrot said:
You're being overly dramatic. I drive 100km each day part of that on the R21 N1 and N4.
Try driving properly one day and come back and thank me tomorrow.
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He is not, traffic can get really bad. I spent 3 hours on the N1 from Cape Town to Stellenbosch a few weeks ago in a manual vehicle, and while it was really not that bad, it would have been a lot more relaxing in my own automatic car.

A few days before that same route took me just over 40 minutes. Your experience won't necessarily match another person driving the same route if you drive it at different times.
 
rietrot said:
You're being overly dramatic. I drive 100km each day part of that on the R21 N1 and N4.
Try driving properly one day and come back and thank me tomorrow.
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Your commute, and what you define as traffic, doesn't apply to everyone...
 
rietrot said:
You're being overly dramatic. I drive 100km each day part of that on the R21 N1 and N4.
Try driving properly one day and come back and thank me tomorrow.
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TIL that driving properly means doing an average speed of 18km/h when traffic is at a literal standstill o_O
Perhaps more realistically we're meant to be doing sub 10km/h for the crummy sections, which in many cars requires riding the clutch.
 
Manual if you don't have to wait in traffic a lot. Auto if you do.
 
Archer said:
TIL that driving properly means doing an average speed of 18km/h when traffic is at a literal standstill o_O
Perhaps more realistically we're meant to be doing sub 10km/h for the crummy sections, which in many cars requires riding the clutch.
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If it avarerge is 18 km/h and you speed up to 60 and brake hard and speed up to 60 and brake hard, you are doing a lot of work and putting a lot of stress on yourself even in a Auto. If you just idle along at 20 km/h it doesn't make much of a difference between manual and automatic.
 
rietrot said:
If it avarerge is 18 km/p and you speed up to 60 and brake hard and speed up to 60 and brake hard, you are doing a lot of work and putting a lot of stress on yourself even in a Auto. If you just idle along at 20 km/h it doesn't make much of a difference between manual and automatic.
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Perhaps you need to realise that you are the one applying the arbitrary 60km/h go fast stop go scenario to people who don't drive like that at all
 
Archer said:
Perhaps you need to realise that you are the one applying the arbitrary 60km/h go fast stop go scenario to people who don't drive like that at all
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Most people do. I see it all the time. And if someone doesn't drive like that I have no idea why they would complain about having to press the clutch 50 times.
 
rietrot said:
Most people do. I see it all the time. And if someone doesn't drive like that I have no idea why they would complain about having to press the clutch 50 times.
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I lol'd
It is so utterly simple, what is easier - pressing a clutch a 50 times, or pressing it zero times. Nevermind that some sections are on inclines and make things more difficult
 
rietrot said:
Okay in all honesty, the speeding up and then braking heavily thing which you guys seem to do in heavy traffic is counter productive and it creates a chain reaction that slows traffic down more.
If you give yourself a bit of a following distance and just sit back and relax and crawl along at a constant speed the traffic will flow better.
You don't have to press in the clutch all the time, you don't have to brake all the time, just relax.
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2 cars will squeeze into your 20km/h following distance space and thus you'd have to brake.
 
Dan C said:
BS
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Not really. Take a few examples like a Suzuki Ciaz, or most other brands for that matter. If you go to the manufacturers website, their claimed fuel consumption is always higher for the auto than for the manual. There might be exceptions. But it is true.
On the highway in top, there might not be any difference, but in town driving, there is for sure.
 
supersunbird said:
So are you riding the clutch?
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Who says? My Civic will do 8km/h in 1st gear on idle happily, without touching the clutch. 15km/h in second on idle. No need to ride the clutch in traffic.

Anyone who's seen Pretoria North / Wonderboom poort and Steve Biko traffic will know the nightmare that is rush hour.

That being said- if DCT was on option on my Civic, a manual gearbox would never see me again.
 
Moneywaster said:
Not really. Take a few examples like a Suzuki Ciaz, or most other brands for that matter. If you go to the manufacturers website, their claimed fuel consumption is always higher for the auto than for the manual. There might be exceptions. But it is true.
On the highway in top, there might not be any difference, but in town driving, there is for sure.
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That's a single clutch transmission on an entry level car. The box on that is likely to be similar to the old autos, hence the higher consumption.

Newer DCT boxes are way more efficient than before, and in many cases, more economical than the equivalent manual...
 
rietrot said:
Yes probably only 2 idiots. I just relax and let them cut in its not the end of the world.
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You'd need to step on the brake continuously to keep this "continuous crawl following distance" you are advocating, and thus you'd need to pay attention to the clutch too.
 
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