Manual vs Automatic

neoprema said:
Well, some friends say you can change and control gears faster in a manual and thus a manual vs an auto of the same car on a track will result in the manual winning. And i'm just confused, how on Earth can having to clutch, move a lever, de-clutch - no matter how fast you do it, beat an automatic dual clutch or torque-converter that's ready in a split second if not less with the next throw.

Some Googling says that some drivers can get pretty close to shifting almost as fast as torque converter but still not beat it. dual-clutch however just knocks the socks off it completely with some shifting as fast as 8-100ms. You simply cannot move your body that fast.

The only reason i could imagine that an auto/DC (CVT?) loses is if software is not great and doesn't make the right decisions based on your driving style and shifts incorrectly. But I think that's probably a thing of the past in most new cars?
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1. A manual will never be quicker around a track than a proper DCT or fast auto. sure old school slush boxes are horrible. Also unlike what most people think, very few people can ACTUALLY heal and toe properly, dct negates that need completely.

2. I think its more about the ease around a track than speed of shifting. I think for outright speed/laptime. DCT everytime. Also if you getting a DCT to track. it should have full manual mode with no auto upshifts. no such thing as wrong gear/wrong computing.

3. From personal experience, i know im not chris harris and having DCT on trackdays is great as i can focus and enjoy the racing line, enjoy the balance of the car, lift off oversteer without having to worry about heal toe, unsettling mid corner.

4. despite all this, i would still love a manual in addition to my DCT> but alas, family, house and a 2 car garage means i wont have a GR Yaris anytime soon :(
 
FiestaST said:
Weakling?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1684657105465155584
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I did this drive today.

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Would have been murder in a manual.
Painful in an automatic.
Autopilot made it really easy.
 
Sinbad said:
I did this drive today.

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Would have been murder in a manual.
Painful in an automatic.
Autopilot made it really easy.
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Went all the way round the M25… you sick bastard. Luckily it’s school holidays, but still!
 
The Voice said:
Went all the way round the M25… you sick bastard. Luckily it’s school holidays, but still!
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Yeah the usual **** up at the m3 and M4 was non existent. I actually checked the nav map in disbelief when I got to the m40 intersection!
 
nazmo said:
We drove to tech in an XR3 that needed to be coasted downhill so it didn't overheat in 1998
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We started in 2000, just when they began the widening of the N2 bridge over Liesbeek Parkway. It was a nightmare!

Initially the car was a E30 325i and then when the clutch began slipping and had to be replaced we had the XR6. Needless to say in the XR6 it was not the clutch that gave in, it was the leg.
 
Had some manual fun on a dirt road Saturday - with traction control on of course - still lets you unleash some of your inner rally driver without ending up in the ditch.
 
Rouxenator said:
Had some manual fun on a dirt road Saturday - with traction control on of course - still lets you unleash some of your inner rally driver without ending up in the ditch.
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Then you're not a real driver....turn it off completely and let slide...

My dad had a c class back in my campus days over a decade ago,for me and my friends the true challenge was foiling the system while it was on and making the car go as far sideways as possible on tar roads,we would purposely look for slippery road surfaces,once in the wet I almost saw 90 degrees....lol fun times with Mercs average traction control back then.
 
Personal opinion - I think people who switch off ESP are morons. I have no intention of damaging my car, just want to have a bit of fun.

That said, these systems vary greatly between vehicles. My previous car, a Peugeot 407 coupe, had the most aggressive ESP system I have experienced, and it makes sense, it is a large vehicle that is front wheel drive and even comes with V6 engines. So, it is very apt having such a quick reacting and aggressive system in place.
My current car, Opel Astra J, has a far more lack ESP TC system in place. You can go pretty far in terms of a slide before it intervenes and gets things back on track.

The reason I say driving without ESP is moronic, well there are plenty of crash compilations to prove that. Only on a racetrack with a professional driver at the wheel should a system like that be switched off.
 
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