Marikana Shootings Farlam Commission Thread

[marine1]

So basically the miners are absolved? They were completely innocent

 

[Galactica]

What happened to the muti fool who instigated them to charge at the police?

Murdered shortly after the massacre.

 

[marine1]

This was just a complete waste of money, time and resources.
Politicians are spawn of Satan

 

[daveza]

Murdered shortly after the massacre.

Rabbit karma.

 

[Galactica]

Rabbit karma.

One of multiple potential witnesses assassinated.

 

[Wasabee!]

SAPS must stop using the same training manuals like the Americans police...

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Hmmm. I'm sure I remember one or two. They even tried to apologise to the families but the families were going to pieces so much.
Will try and find one of the references in this thread.

I couldn't recall anything from the time of the commission itself, and haven't seen anything reported from the report itself either.

Either way their side has been very much underrepresented.

 

[Galactica]

Well police leadership from Phiyega to commanders were grilled so I wouldn't call them underrepresented.

 

[R13...]

Well police leadership from Phiyega to commanders were grilled so I wouldn't call them underrepresented.

I think the point is eye witness cops weren't cross examined only the command who would have been testifying off an agreed command script.

 

[Totem]

The thing I don't get about Marikana

The striking workers were armed with deadly weapons like kieries, pangas, knives, guns, spears, etc

They intimidated innocent people with violence.

They attacked police and security personnel

But they are the victims

???

 

[TEXTILE GUY]

The striking workers were armed with deadly weapons like kieries, pangas, knives, guns, spears, etc

They intimidated innocent people with violence.

They attacked police and security personnel

But they are the victims

???

Its quite simple actually ..... if its white on black violence ... play the race card

If its anything other than the above, play the victim card.

 

[Galactica]

Even the cops were going to be briefed on a version and stick to it.

 

[nightjar]

Its quite simple actually ..... if its white on black violence ... play the race card

If its anything other than the above, play the victim card.

Luthuli House aka The Government has never had any problem with violence, murder and intimidation during strikes but I suspect that the Marikana operation was intended to send a not-so-subtle message to the unions that the buck stops when special cadres (Comrade Cyril in this case) might be negatively affected.

 

[biometrics]

Zuma to institute inquiry into Phiyega's fitness to hold office
2015-08-21 18:59

Pretoria - President Jacob Zuma is to institute an inquiry into allegations of misconduct and/or whether national police commissioner General Riah Phiyega is fit to hold office.

In a statement by the Presidency on Friday, it said Zuma had written to Phiyega informing her of his intention.

"President Jacob Zuma has written to the National Police Commissioner, General Victoria Phiyega, informing her of his intention to institute an inquiry into the allegations of misconduct and/or lack of fitness for the office that she occupies and /or her ability to execute her duties efficiently with regard thereto, or any other conduct which may have a bearing on her position as Head of the Police Service, in terms of Section 9(1) to (2) read with Section 8(1) to(8) of the South African Police Act 68 of 1995, as amended(the ”Act”)," said the statement.

It went on to say that Zuma had also afforded Phiyega the opportunity to make written representations to him as to why she should not be suspended pending the outcome of the enquiry.

"The President received and considered the report of Judge Farlam pertaining to the Marikana Commission of Inquiry and has also received the comments of General Phiyega on the recommendations and findings contained therein."

The Farlam Commission recommended in its report, released on June 25, that Phiyega face an inquiry into her fitness to hold office.

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/N...into-Phiyegas-fitness-to-hold-office-20150821

So no suspension?

 

[LazyLion]

 

[schumi]

19 miners charged for deaths of Marikana 10

JOHANNESBURG - The National Prosecuting Authority (NPA) says a pre-trial conference will take place in December to finalise criminal proceedings against Marikana miners who have now been charged.

Yesterday the miners were charged at the Ga-Rankuwa Magistrates Court for the deaths of ten people in the days leading up to the massacre in 2012.

Two police officers, two security guards and six miners were killed during the violent protest, days before police were called in and shot and killed 34 protesters.

The NPA says it waited for the Farlam Commission of Inquiry’s report to be released before charging the miners.

Nineteen miners have been charged and two have passed away, but the NPA has not been given their death certificates. They face charges of murder, attempted murder, malicious damage to property, as well as the unlawful possession of firearms and ammunition.

The NPA’s Frank Lesenyego says a pretrial conference has been set for December.

More at http://ewn.co.za/2015/10/21/Miners-charged-for-deaths-of-Marikana-10

 

[ellyally]

More at http://ewn.co.za/2015/10/21/Miners-charged-for-deaths-of-Marikana-10

About time there was some justice for those butchered by the miners, they've been ignored up until now

 

[schumi]

Ramaphosa: I can't speak on Marikana

Thulani Gqirana, News24

Cape Town - Deputy president Cyril Ramaphosa told Parliament on Thursday he could not answer questions about Marikana, as he had been issued with a summons.

Speaking during a parliamentary question-and-answer session, Ramaphosa told MPs it would be inappropriate for him to talk about Marikana due to the summons.

He was responding to a question on the progress made in forming an alternative dispute resolution process regarding the Marikana civil claims.

“A summons has been issued against me in my personal capacity and two other parties arising from the events of Marikana and, as a consequence of that and on the basis of legal advice I have sought, I have informed the secretary of cabinet it would not be appropriate for me to get involved.”

Shortly after, the presidency issued a statement confirming the summons.

"A summons has indeed been served on lawyers of Deputy President Ramaphosa arising from the Marikana tragedy. [He] has instructed his lawyers to defend the action," his spokesperson Ronnie Mamoepa said in a statement.

News24
Source
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ramaphosa-i-cant-speak-on-marikana-20151112

 

[schumi]

DA launches petition for compensation of Marikana victims

JOHANNESBURG - The Democratic Alliance (DA) says it has launched a petition to be tabled before parliament requesting compensation for the Marikana victims.

Forty-four people were killed during a violent unprotected strike at the Lonmin Platinum Mine in 2012.

In September, the Presidency announced it would explore initiating a dispute resolution process to expedite the processing of all claims arising from the 2012 tragedy.

More at:http://ewn.co.za/2015/11/24/DA-launches-petition-for-the-compensation-of-Marikana-victims

 

[HunterNW]

Amcu says Sibanye-Stillwater should also pay for Marikana Massacre deaths

www.msn.com