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Mass Effect 2's Strange Disc Swapping Explained, Hmmm!
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semiautomatix
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Because you're so damn lazy that you couldn't be bothered to stand up after 20 hours of gameplay? That s**t will give you bed sores.
Doesn't bother me at all, especially since Mass Effect needs the extra speed provided by DVD for fast loading. I'd rather swap discs than have to go make a cup of coffee every time I need to play a new level.
semiautomatix
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Here's a question: does anyone have a problem getting up to change discs every 2-3 days?
Since you wont be able to play the game, I have no idea.
Since they are so adverse to changing discs, are they still playing the same game they put in their PS3's when they first got it?
No, but if I have to change a few times during one evenings game play, I will get annoyed. I hope one can install disc 1 and 2 and then only have to insert disc 1 to start the game. But something tells me that they didn't think that far.
I feel this is a big fail from Microsoft, not seeying that games will go bigger than 1 DVD. If more games are going to be more than 1 disc, they must at least give you the option to install all the discs on the HD.
semiautomatix
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Well the full game (if you play everything) is a good 50-60 hours, so you can expect to change discs every 20 hours or so. If you're playing 5 hours a day then that's every 4 days... So no, you won't have to change during any single evening whatsoever.
Happy? Btw, the reason the PS3 came out over a year after the XBox 360 was they were waiting on the Bluray drives - which still to date cause Sony to lose money on every console. I can understand Microsoft's business logic and it seems to have paid off. I imagine the next gen XBox 360 will introduce the technology when it is really needed (when we're hitting 4-5 discs).
There are maybe 10 games out there that come on more than 1 disc, out of hundreds, are those 10 games worth a year delay, an extra $200 in cost, and longer loading times?
I asked myself this, and I kept getting 'no' in my head. Guys I dont mind swapping disks. I learned this skill in the early days of a combination between a 1.2 gig hard drive coupled with baldur's gate (6 discs) baldur's gate2 (5 discs) and diablo 2 (4 discs). So yeah. Doing it with 2 discs is easy pancakes for me, bro.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Gas or you are playing with yourself.
IAP.
I recently played Valkyria Chronicles on the PS3 - a good couple of hours - do you know what is the one thinhg that irritated me enough to hate the game? The constant, unavoidable loading times of the PS3.
So while you sit there waiting for the game to load multiple times, I change a disc once, perhaps twice.
If we were to tally up your loading time vs my changin disc time we all know which will be the longest.
Can understand Sony's business sense too...the selection of blu-ray :
1. Win the console war...with Sony's vested interests in the format after a few failed formats, it made sense to promote the format with their highly anticipated next gen console.
2. Differentiation...who wanted another 360..as good as it is, everyone wanted each manufacturer to bring something new to the table...
3. Lenghty life cycle..with a 5-10 life cycle, it made sense to select blu-ray ...
4. Media support - Not only HD movies, but also 3d movie's official format is blu-ray...
5. Innovation & leading edge technology is synomous with "Sony"....so bringing out an upgraded PS2 is not want their customers wanted, they wanted hi-tech...Sales might have been disappointing for various reasons over the last 3 years, but Sony's brand is still strong...
I still love the fact that blu-ray is scratch resistant and a format that can expand...100gb disc support without any hardware or firmware updates and up to 250gb discs....very impressive...
I appreciate an informed reply such as this. If IAP responded like you did here, we might take him seriously. For now though, he remains a zitty teenager posing as a dad.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
Except they're in 3rd place making a loss on every console sold? Guess that makes these points redundant. Had Sony waited a bit longer perhaps they would have reaped the benefits as the did with the PS2. Just remember that now Sony can't even rely on Blu ray sales, as standalone players (even Sony's) are now cheaper than the PS3 so it is not necessarily a selling point.
I just doesn't make good business sense, in my opinion. Microsoft is the clear winner in terms of earnings this time around, which is why they got into this games console business, in the first place. This gives them a great big spring board for the next time around (much like the opportunity Sony had after PS2 sales).
In reference to your first point, Sony got lucky and Microsoft was unlucky in this instance. Sony has failed before, and this time they did it right, I guess. I think had the Microsoft external HD players taken off this might be a very different situation, unfortunately despite being the better format (much like Sony's Betamax) other factors caused HD DVD to be the losing horse.
Just realise that Microsoft is poising themselves to become part of more than just future XBoxs in terms of media centres. They're a lot smarter than you give them credit for, wait and see. They didn't get to where they are today by not understanding their business.
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Based on the PSP GO, no.
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
ROFL!
semiautomatix
Honorary Master
I reckon they've got themselves in a pickle. Even *if* they outsell the XBox 360 they still lose. Suck, doesn't it?
To answer a few questions.
Yes you can install both discs to the drive, you will have to however still swap discs to avoid piracy, as the 360 does a check on the disc when it loads from the drive. This still improves load times overall.
Sony nor Microsoft have won the Console war for this gen, in fact it is Nintendo with almost a 50% Market share.
No I'm not any kind of a fanboi, I have all 3 consoles and yes my Wii does collect dust
Also ME2 is not that big a deal, heck Lost Odyssey had 4 disks, with disk 4 giving big problems often.
Each console has their pro's and their con's. Heck personally I prefer the 360 the control is a lot more sollid and does not have those awful deadspots like the PS3 controller. The PS3 has a much better d-pad compared to the excuse of a pad the 360 has.
It's all preference, so please stop trying to figure out who's is bigger, cause we all know it's Nintendo in terms of shear volume of console sales, who were the only company to sell at a profit from release. Unlike the other big 2 who both sold at a loss at first.
/rant
Yes you can install both discs to the drive, you will have to however still swap discs to avoid piracy, as the 360 does a check on the disc when it loads from the drive. This still improves load times overall.
Sony nor Microsoft have won the Console war for this gen, in fact it is Nintendo with almost a 50% Market share.
No I'm not any kind of a fanboi, I have all 3 consoles and yes my Wii does collect dust
Also ME2 is not that big a deal, heck Lost Odyssey had 4 disks, with disk 4 giving big problems often.
Each console has their pro's and their con's. Heck personally I prefer the 360 the control is a lot more sollid and does not have those awful deadspots like the PS3 controller. The PS3 has a much better d-pad compared to the excuse of a pad the 360 has.
It's all preference, so please stop trying to figure out who's is bigger, cause we all know it's Nintendo in terms of shear volume of console sales, who were the only company to sell at a profit from release. Unlike the other big 2 who both sold at a loss at first.
/rant