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[May 2013..Dec 2013] The Gauteng E-tolling Thread
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Don't feed the troll.
Are farmers going to set up shop in your suburb so that retailers can avoid paying toll fees to transport goods?
What about imported goods? How will it get from the docks or the airport to the local businesses?
Yeah ... this "will make local business boom".
I can't wait for Sasol to set up a refinery in my suburb so I can walk to work ... in the smog.
OMB
Mountain Man
if they really decide to push ahead with this, I seriously doubt this time next year I will be in Gauteng
Anyone know what the insurance implications of this could be?
If anyone refuses to buy an etag and then gets into an accident isn't it within their rights to refuse payout due to illegal use of the road? Especially if there is a history of non-payment.
If anyone refuses to buy an etag and then gets into an accident isn't it within their rights to refuse payout due to illegal use of the road? Especially if there is a history of non-payment.
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On the plus side . It will definetly minimise congestion on the highways.
(Ouch! Ouch! Stop hitting me with rolled up newspapers!)
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You won't be able to get ONTO a highway because all the back routes will be so choked up, joburg will be a parking lot.
I doubt it will affect insurance. It's not illegal to ride on the road without an e-tag. There are other payment options available as well.
daveza
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As a matter of interest, what happens to those from Zim, Namibia etc who use the toll roads - do they get a free ride ?
Car hire rates will probably also go up. Anyone hiring a car in GP will now have fuel AND etoll deducted from your credit card if you use the tolled highways, and of course there will now be an "admin fee" as well for processing the etoll payment.
OMB
Mountain Man
no, they have to report to the first customer centre they come to and purchase a day pass
LazyLion
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E-tolls will hit a dead end: DA
Western Cape transport and public works MEC Robin Carlisle is confident that the fight against the implementation of toll roads in the province will triumph in the courts.
President Jacob Zuma last week signed the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill into law, paving the way for road tolling across the country.
The DA slammed Zuma for signing the bill while a legal challenge to e-tolling is being considered by the Supreme Court of Appeal.
Carlisle said that though the DA subscribes to the concept of "the user pays" it was unfair to tax people for the use of roads they seldom if ever used.
He said the ANC and the subsequent DA administrations in Western Cape had spent R200-million on constructing the Chapman's Peak toll road, the cost of which has been borne by users of the road.
In May the Cape Town city council won an interdict in the Cape High Court that blocked Sanral from implementing tolling on the N1 and N2 highways pending the result of a review applied for by the council.
The city and provincial government argue that crucial information was not made available to citizens during the "public participation" process.
"We are opposed to the creation of incredibly expensive roads so that they can be tolled.
"The Gauteng freeway project is one of the most expensive roadworks in the world," said Carlisle.
The Winelands toll road, with an estimated cost of about R10-billion, would have three "incredibly expensive" features, including a bypass to Gordon's Bay from Somerset West, the opening of a second tunnel at the Huguenot Tunnel, and a tunnel underneath Sir Lowry's Pass.
"It would be nice to have but we can't afford it.
"At the end of the day, it will come from taxpayers' pockets," said Carlisle.
He said public anger at e-tolling would cost the ANC votes in next year's general election.
"The cost of tolling almost seems to double the cost of [building] the road, and that doesn't seem correct," said Carlisle.
He said Sanral's construction of new toll roads was "completely out of control" and unnecessary.
Carlisle labelled Transport Minister Dipuo Peters' proposal to lower the legal blood-alcohol limit from 0.05g/100ml to 0.02g/100ml as "smoke and mirrors".
"If you can't catch them at 0.05g/100ml, what's going to suddenly happen at 0.02g/100ml?" he asked.
He said the proposals were part of a strategy by government to look tough in acting against drunk drivers.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/09/30/e-tolls-will-hit-a-dead-end-da
Western Cape transport and public works MEC Robin Carlisle is confident that the fight against the implementation of toll roads in the province will triumph in the courts.
President Jacob Zuma last week signed the Transport Laws and Related Matters Amendment Bill into law, paving the way for road tolling across the country.
The DA slammed Zuma for signing the bill while a legal challenge to e-tolling is being considered by the Supreme Court of Appeal.
Carlisle said that though the DA subscribes to the concept of "the user pays" it was unfair to tax people for the use of roads they seldom if ever used.
He said the ANC and the subsequent DA administrations in Western Cape had spent R200-million on constructing the Chapman's Peak toll road, the cost of which has been borne by users of the road.
In May the Cape Town city council won an interdict in the Cape High Court that blocked Sanral from implementing tolling on the N1 and N2 highways pending the result of a review applied for by the council.
The city and provincial government argue that crucial information was not made available to citizens during the "public participation" process.
"We are opposed to the creation of incredibly expensive roads so that they can be tolled.
"The Gauteng freeway project is one of the most expensive roadworks in the world," said Carlisle.
The Winelands toll road, with an estimated cost of about R10-billion, would have three "incredibly expensive" features, including a bypass to Gordon's Bay from Somerset West, the opening of a second tunnel at the Huguenot Tunnel, and a tunnel underneath Sir Lowry's Pass.
"It would be nice to have but we can't afford it.
"At the end of the day, it will come from taxpayers' pockets," said Carlisle.
He said public anger at e-tolling would cost the ANC votes in next year's general election.
"The cost of tolling almost seems to double the cost of [building] the road, and that doesn't seem correct," said Carlisle.
He said Sanral's construction of new toll roads was "completely out of control" and unnecessary.
Carlisle labelled Transport Minister Dipuo Peters' proposal to lower the legal blood-alcohol limit from 0.05g/100ml to 0.02g/100ml as "smoke and mirrors".
"If you can't catch them at 0.05g/100ml, what's going to suddenly happen at 0.02g/100ml?" he asked.
He said the proposals were part of a strategy by government to look tough in acting against drunk drivers.
http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/09/30/e-tolls-will-hit-a-dead-end-da
DreamKing
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LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Fuel levy vs E-Tolls....
http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/45226/fuel-levy-vs-e-tolls/
http://businesstech.co.za/news/general/45226/fuel-levy-vs-e-tolls/
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL cannot have its cake and eat it...
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?op...=67717:Sanral-cannot-have-its-cake-and-eat-it
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?op...=67717:Sanral-cannot-have-its-cake-and-eat-it
daveza
Honorary Master
What for - are they going to get checked at the ' border' to see if they've paid their toll fees ?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
SANRAL Proposes Scrapping the Fuel Levy?
http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-proposes-scrapping-the-fuel-levy/
JOHANNESBURG – SANRAL’s advertising in national newspapers today claims that a fuel levy is not sustainable; citing amongst other things that it was introduced in the 1970’s and that fuel efficient vehicles like hybrid and electric vehicles are set to become prolific.
SANRAL’s argument is severely flawed in many respects; not least of all is their reliance on the argument that fuel efficient vehicles will soon become commonplace in South Africa. The last time we looked, Heavy Goods Vehicles, which do the most damage to roads infrastructure, consume a large proportion of fuel sold in South Africa and there are currently no hybrid or electric Heavy Goods Vehicles in use in South Africa.
Furthermore the average new vehicle sales monthly in South Africa represent a mere 5.9% of the entire current, but growing vehicle population. In August 2013, 56 112 new motor vehicles were sold and South Africa’s best-known hybrid vehicle, the Toyota Prius, sold just 3 units.
The proportion of average South Africans who can afford to purchase new motor vehicles remains very low indeed and even if cheap hybrid Indian imports like the concept Tata hybrid which Mr Nazir Alli referred to at a Mail & Guardian debate last year; costing just $5 000 apiece were to suddenly hit South Africa’s market, it is extremely doubtful that anything even remotely representing a quarter percent of the South African car fleet would be replaced with them inside the next decade or more. Even if this were to happen, the easy solution to the problem would be to increase the fuel levy proportionally.
We are acutely aware of the fact that planning for roads infrastructure needs to extend beyond the next decade; however medium-term problems, like paying for the “Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project” (GFIP) presents a problem with respect to how they are going to be funded right now.
If, as it would appear they are, SANRAL is saying that the fuel levy should be scrapped, then that is a completely different kettle of fish and we would be forced to agree with them – given the fact that it has been acutely demonstrated that our fuel levy is not being used for roads infrastructure as it should be.
South Africa consumed approximately 11.3-billion litres of petrol and 9.1-billion litres of diesel during 2009. In 2012, these figures increased to approximately 11.7-billion litres of petrol and 11.3-billion litres of diesel, representing an increase of around 3.5% in petrol sales and a whopping 24.2% increase in diesel sales over the three year period. Therefore, SANRAL’s claim that collections based on a fuel levy are “unsustainable” since they are declining is nonsensical at best and an outright lie at worst. They seem to forget that these figures are publicly accessible, unlike their so-called “research”, which they like to keep a “State secret” or make loose reference to when they present their arguments.
If the fuel levy were to be scrapped tomorrow and replaced countrywide with the eTolls that SANRAL believes is the solution for Johannesburg and Tshwane (not Gauteng as they claim), then we have little doubt that most South Africans would have no problem with this. The effect of scrapping the fuel levy would be to bring its price at the pumps down by 212.50c a litre on petrol and 197.50c per litre on diesel. This relief would be most welcome by most, if not all motorists and then SANRAL could go forward with their policy of raising bonds to secure loans to fund infrastructure development and charge users to drive on the roads they build.
But it would appear that SANRAL and Treasury wish to have their cake and eat it by retaining the fuel levy and additionally introducing eTolls, or what they refer to as the “user pays principle”. On this point, we are not going to see eye to eye – ever – and therefore we call upon SANRAL and Treasury to make a choice – Either it’s going to be a fuel levy or Tolls/eTolls. They simply cannot have it both ways and continue to engage in false advertising like they did today.
- See more at: http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-proposes-scrapping-the-fuel-levy/#sthash.qnyZcOxI.dpuf
http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-proposes-scrapping-the-fuel-levy/
JOHANNESBURG – SANRAL’s advertising in national newspapers today claims that a fuel levy is not sustainable; citing amongst other things that it was introduced in the 1970’s and that fuel efficient vehicles like hybrid and electric vehicles are set to become prolific.
SANRAL’s argument is severely flawed in many respects; not least of all is their reliance on the argument that fuel efficient vehicles will soon become commonplace in South Africa. The last time we looked, Heavy Goods Vehicles, which do the most damage to roads infrastructure, consume a large proportion of fuel sold in South Africa and there are currently no hybrid or electric Heavy Goods Vehicles in use in South Africa.
Furthermore the average new vehicle sales monthly in South Africa represent a mere 5.9% of the entire current, but growing vehicle population. In August 2013, 56 112 new motor vehicles were sold and South Africa’s best-known hybrid vehicle, the Toyota Prius, sold just 3 units.
The proportion of average South Africans who can afford to purchase new motor vehicles remains very low indeed and even if cheap hybrid Indian imports like the concept Tata hybrid which Mr Nazir Alli referred to at a Mail & Guardian debate last year; costing just $5 000 apiece were to suddenly hit South Africa’s market, it is extremely doubtful that anything even remotely representing a quarter percent of the South African car fleet would be replaced with them inside the next decade or more. Even if this were to happen, the easy solution to the problem would be to increase the fuel levy proportionally.
We are acutely aware of the fact that planning for roads infrastructure needs to extend beyond the next decade; however medium-term problems, like paying for the “Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project” (GFIP) presents a problem with respect to how they are going to be funded right now.
If, as it would appear they are, SANRAL is saying that the fuel levy should be scrapped, then that is a completely different kettle of fish and we would be forced to agree with them – given the fact that it has been acutely demonstrated that our fuel levy is not being used for roads infrastructure as it should be.
South Africa consumed approximately 11.3-billion litres of petrol and 9.1-billion litres of diesel during 2009. In 2012, these figures increased to approximately 11.7-billion litres of petrol and 11.3-billion litres of diesel, representing an increase of around 3.5% in petrol sales and a whopping 24.2% increase in diesel sales over the three year period. Therefore, SANRAL’s claim that collections based on a fuel levy are “unsustainable” since they are declining is nonsensical at best and an outright lie at worst. They seem to forget that these figures are publicly accessible, unlike their so-called “research”, which they like to keep a “State secret” or make loose reference to when they present their arguments.
If the fuel levy were to be scrapped tomorrow and replaced countrywide with the eTolls that SANRAL believes is the solution for Johannesburg and Tshwane (not Gauteng as they claim), then we have little doubt that most South Africans would have no problem with this. The effect of scrapping the fuel levy would be to bring its price at the pumps down by 212.50c a litre on petrol and 197.50c per litre on diesel. This relief would be most welcome by most, if not all motorists and then SANRAL could go forward with their policy of raising bonds to secure loans to fund infrastructure development and charge users to drive on the roads they build.
But it would appear that SANRAL and Treasury wish to have their cake and eat it by retaining the fuel levy and additionally introducing eTolls, or what they refer to as the “user pays principle”. On this point, we are not going to see eye to eye – ever – and therefore we call upon SANRAL and Treasury to make a choice – Either it’s going to be a fuel levy or Tolls/eTolls. They simply cannot have it both ways and continue to engage in false advertising like they did today.
- See more at: http://www.outa.co.za/site/sanral-proposes-scrapping-the-fuel-levy/#sthash.qnyZcOxI.dpuf
OMB
Mountain Man
sure they will pay in full before they leave the country.
well I guess strictly speaking given that the CBRTA has now been legislated to collect toll on behalf of SANRAL they could actually enforce that at the border post if they had the right system in place
If they scrap the fuel levy I will consider paying for e-tolls as it will work out roughly similar if I do a quick guestimate.
So the fuel levy isn't sustainable, but sending 600 million a year to kapsch + the incredibly expensive gantries + operating costs (staff, buildings, internet connections, admin fees) etc is somehow sustainable?
I will bet every single cent I own that the latter far exceeds the amount of money lost due to hybrids and other non-traditional fuels not paying the fuel levy.
So the fuel levy isn't sustainable, but sending 600 million a year to kapsch + the incredibly expensive gantries + operating costs (staff, buildings, internet connections, admin fees) etc is somehow sustainable?
I will bet every single cent I own that the latter far exceeds the amount of money lost due to hybrids and other non-traditional fuels not paying the fuel levy.
daveza
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Anyone seen this or is it 'shopped ?
Looks photoshopped
Good article at daily maverick. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opin...ing-prepare-for-dompas-defiance/#.UkqjCZkayc0
Good article at daily maverick. http://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opin...ing-prepare-for-dompas-defiance/#.UkqjCZkayc0
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