MEC in Speeding cavalcade pile-up

[xtermin8or]

Off course they were legitimately arrested, they were breaking the law of the current system, if they had not been arrested - there would be no point to their protest - this guy willfully broke the law - action can and should be taken against the driver - but he broke the law

I was maybe not clear enough in this post, I meant action can and should be taken against the drivers in the convoy

 

[hj2k_x]

Yes, the article says



indicating that he had no intention of moving out of the way, he then gave chase - the Premier is a public figure - and his bodyguards could easily have believed there was a threat on the Premier's life - not too bright huh - wonder what would have happened if it was the President or DP's car

It is interesting that there is an emergency every morning on the M3 that passes by UCT.Like clockwork, at 8 30 every day one of these motorcades comes speeding past, siren blaring. Emergency? I think not.

 

[icyrus]

I was maybe not clear enough in this post, I meant action can and should be taken against the drivers in the convoy

Ah how convenient. Are the drivers on the convoy vehicles speeding of their own accord? Did they decide that today they want to get their VIP to wherever they are going quicker?

It is convenient to blame the puppet and let it take the rap, but I would prefer it if they dealt with the real problem: the idiot MPs who think they are above the law.

 

[edc]

MP who behave like this, should be executed, China rocks. China does not stand for hippies either, Malaysia rocks also.
Clicky this link, I love it.
http://www.rootshell.be/~edc/cartman_rules_malaysia_hippies.jpg

 

[edc]

icyrus, you are totally correct. There are 4 members in the forum, chiskop, xtermin8or, halicon and to a lesser extent, angelo, who set very low standards for the country's government. I have also tried to impress upon them that they should instead demand better, that the drive for excellence is what separates Africa from Europe, but they choose to dismiss critic with allegations of racism and unreasonable illogical arguments.

 

[icyrus]

icyrus, you are totally correct. There are 4 members in the forum, chiskop, xtermin8or, halicon and to a lesser extent, angelo, who set very low standards for the country's government. I have also tried to impress upon them that they should instead demand better, that the drive for excellence is what separates Africa from Europe, but they choose to dismiss critic with allegations of racism and unreasonable illogical arguments.

Equally there are those on here who can see no good in South Africa and blame everything on the current government (with abundant racial slurs thrown in for good measure).

 

[edc]

Equally there are those on here who can see no good in South Africa and blame everything on the current government (with abundant racial slurs thrown in for good measure).

I'm guilty of that, countering the the other side/weight. The latest such discussion was closed, am not going to waste my time on that anymore though.

 

[Alan]

Lights: no emergency needed

It’s enough if a policeman is driving, says MEC Cele


DRIVERS for MECs are allowed, by law, to use blue lights even in a situation where there is no emergency.

This was the statement made by Transport MEC Bheki Cele during the sitting of the legislature at Msinga, Tugela Ferry, yesterday.

Quoting from the National Road Traffic Act, Cele said the drivers — who must be members of the SAPS — can use the blue lights “in the execution of their duties”.

“Their duties are to drive the MECs and there need not be an emergency for them to use the blue lights,” Cele told members of the legislature and the public.

He added that the law also states that the blue light does necessarily have to be used when that car is speeding, but can also be used when travelling at or below the prescribed speed. “So you can be travelling at 20 km/h and still have the blue light on.”

He said that his department is getting closer to arresting the person who filmed Premier S’bu Ndebele’s speeding convoy and handed the images to The Witness.

He continued to urge The Witness to hand over the details of the person.

“We want his name so that he could explain his breaking of the law, which includes speeding, using the cellphone while driving and threatening the premier’s security.”

 

[rwenzori]

This Cele is an arrogant stupid twit. That an elected official can behave with such disregard to the opinions of the local people is mind-boggling. Is there not an Al Quaeda branch locally who would like to practice their torture methods on him?

 

[Leitmotif]

Needed: 40mm grenade in windshield of speeding car.

 

[icyrus]

When I read government members making statements like the above, I wonder if we are a democracy in name only.

 

[marine1]

Bring it on Cele you racist. Lets see how this pans out in the courts.

 

[Koos Custodiet]

http://www.dieburger.com/Stories/News/Regions/14.0.2654012650.aspx

Motor van BBP-konvooi in botsing betrokke
LEON-BEN LAMPRECHT 29/05/2007 12:11:47 PM - (SA)

KAAPSTAD. –* ’n Drama in die kleine het hom Dinsdagoggend afgespeel op die hoek van Oswald Pirow-straat en Hertzog-boulevard in Roggebaai toe ’n voertuig van die Presidensiële beskermingseenheid en ’n lid van die publiek se voertuig in ’n ongeluk betrokke was.

Ooggetuies het gesê ’n BMW van die beskermingseenheid het die pad afgesper sodat die konvooi kon deurkom, maar het te min tyd gelaat vir die bestuurder van ’n blou Tata Indigo om tot astilstand te kom.

Sy teen die BMW vasgery en is per ambulans na ’n plaaslike hospitaal gebring. Sy is na verneem word nie ernstig beseer nie.

Haar motor is oor die eiland in Oswald Pirow-laan geslinger en die motor se lugsakke is geaktiveer. Die voorkant van motor is aan flarde geruk.

Dit is onbekend watter ampsdraer in die konvooi vervoer was.

Lees die volledige berig môre in Die Burger.

 

[xtermin8or]

Bring it on Cele you racist. Lets see how this pans out in the courts.

Where did the Premier make any racist statements ? I fail to see the point of this post.

The traffic Officers driving in the convoy seemed to have been acting within the confines of the law, the civilian speeding behind the convoy was breaking the law and therefore should be charged - or the next time I get a speeding ticket - I can claim I was chasing an ambulance and because this case has set a precedent I should be exonerated

 

[rwenzori]

Where did the Premier make any racist statements ? I fail to see the point of this post.

The traffic Officers driving in the convoy seemed to have been acting within the confines of the law, the civilian speeding behind the convoy was breaking the law and therefore should be charged - or the next time I get a speeding ticket - I can claim I was chasing an ambulance and because this case has set a precedent I should be exonerated

Yikes! How familiar are you with the whole blue-light convoy saga in KZN? Not at all, it seems. Just to answer your first question:

In his statement, Cele said: “This so-called whistle-blower is not a whistle-blower. He is a self-made, arrogant, non-accountable individual who purports to be a good citizen and I will dare to argue that he is also a racist.”

Remember that Cele-twit hasn't the faintest clue who took the pic.

The rest of the article might explain it if you have not quite got it yet:

In response to why Cele resorted to calling the whistle-blower a racist, the legal expert said: “Accusing parties of racism in the absence of particular evidence of prejudice based on race is, in fact, very dangerous and itself could lead to litigation against the accuser.

“Racism comes in many forms. The perception or assumption that an individual is a racist without getting all the facts is known as personal or individual racism. Therefore, if you accuse a particular individual of being a racist based solely on your perception or assumption, you as the accuser actually become the guilty party.

“Individual racism is defined as the prejudicial beliefs and behaviour of a bigot against an individual or group. This is normally based on assumptions of superiority and inferiority.”

He added: “It is interesting to note two assumptions made by Mr Cele: one, that the whistle-blower is a male; the other, that the whistle-blower is white. Hence the accusation that the whistle-blower is a racist. These allegations are made in the absence of actually meeting the whistle-blower or knowing the identity of the whistle-blower.

“The use of the race card and personal racism are classic examples of two of the biggest evils of post-apartheid we experience today in South Africa."

You can find this at www.witness.co.za.

 

[xtermin8or]

well, he could be guilty of defamation, not quite sure how he becomes a racist, since he does not know the race of the man, but on the other side the goof that took the pictures clearly has no respect for the laws of the country, and is therefore a criminal and should be treated as such

 

[rwenzori]

well, he could be guilty of defamation, not quite sure how he becomes a racist, since he does not know the race of the man,

That is explained above, better than I can. Try reading it slowly.

but on the other side the goof that took the pictures clearly has no respect for the laws of the country, and is therefore a criminal and should be treated as such

And what was the convoy doing other than breaking the law, because some moron needed a pee or was late for a meeting ? Don't believe dear Cele's interpretation of the law!

 

[kilo39]

well, he could be guilty of defamation, not quite sure how he becomes a racist, since he does not know the race of the man, but on the other side the goof that took the pictures clearly has no respect for the laws of the country, and is therefore a criminal and should be treated as such

Yeah but can we have it without resorting to apartheid era legislation or other "wished for attacks" on press freedom?

Paper under fire for blue lights rumpus
April 28 2007

KwaZulu-Natal's transport MEC Bheki Cele on Friday accused the Witness newspaper of being manipulated by the Inkatha Freedom Party (IFP) on the issue of MECs' vehicles speeding with blue lights.

"The blue light came to the fore three to six months ago. There is one paper that picks on it more than others. That paper is the Witness," Cele said.
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The chairperson of the Zululand Coordinated Traffic Committee, Paul Oliver, said in his experience, the courts would "look at life and death situations to determine whether it was an emergency. I haven't seen a case where being late for a meeting was accepted."

Asked whether the department would attempt to use Section 205 of the Criminal Procedure Act of 1977, which allows the State to compel any person to reveal their sources of information on pain of imprisonment, to force the Witness to reveal the motorist's identity, Cele said: "I am not a lawyer. What I have done is instructed the lawyers to deal with it."

If the government is above the law shouldn't everybody else be?

 

[xtermin8or]

And what was the convoy doing other than breaking the law, because some moron needed a pee or was late for a meeting ? Don't believe dear Cele's interpretation of the law!

The convoy was not breaking the law, as the drivers in the convoy were traffic officers and as Act 93 of 1996 : National Road Traffic Act states : Chapter IX section 60

a traffic officer who drives a vehicle in the carrying out of his or her duties or any person driving a vehicle while engaged in civil protection as contemplated in an ordinance made in terms of section 3 of the Civil Protection Act, 1977 (Act No. 67 of 1977), may exceed the applicable general speed limit: Provided that-

(a) he or she shall drive the vehicle concerned with due regard to the
safety of other traffic; and

(b) in the case of any such fire-fighting vehicle, rescue vehicle, ambulance of vehicle driven by a person while he or she is so engaged in civil
protection, such vehicle shall be fitted with a device capable of
emitting a prescribed sound and with an identification lamp, as
prescribed, and such device shall be so sounded and such lamp shall be
in operation while the vehicle is driven in excess of the applicable
general speed limit.

 

[kilo39]

The convoy was not breaking the law, as the drivers in the convoy were traffic officers and as Act 93 of 1996 : National Road Traffic Act states : Chapter IX section 60