Nothing to do what is was written in/for. RT is just compiled for.

Jan Wildeboer, open source evangelist and Red Hat employee, was one of the first to spot the restrictions in Microsoft's licence this week. "One thing is extremely obvious," Wildeboer claims in a post to his personal blog. "Microsoft wants to keep its platform clear of Free Software. Period."
Poppycock. Wildeboer wears blinkers and peddles a falsehood. Open Source is not a synonym for Free Software. Marketplace today has many free apps. I am certain RT marketplace will be the same - price is the copyright holder's call, not Microsoft's.
 
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Well no, you can't just compile against WinRT - it is a new framework. But I think we are agreeing on the same point.

You really think they wouldn't allow you to use any Open Source code? I had never seen that article, however Nuget is built into VS11 which promotes using Open Source Nuget packages, so I really think someone is confused somewhere.
 
I wanted to laugh, but then I saw that you spelt with MS with a dollar sign like we are still back in 1995.

Indeed, MS bashing is so 90's even Hipsters have abandoned it.
 
Well no, you can't just compile against WinRT - it is a new framework. But I think we are agreeing on the same point.

You really think they wouldn't allow you to use any Open Source code? I had never seen that article, however Nuget is built into VS11 which promotes using Open Source Nuget packages, so I really think someone is confused somewhere.

They only allow for some open source licenses Such as BSD, MIT, Apache Software License 2.0, MS-PL.

GPLv2 and GPLv3 is excluded and we use libraries thats written under GPLv2. In order for us to be able to publish on Microsoft market we will have to exclude those libraries and rewrite them/ also some of our code is copied from GPLv3 alternatives. We make the source code freely available to our customers and only charge subscriptions to those that are interested in (the subscription includes access to our developers to freely modify and customize the solutions for your company)

The new market and block of side loading on Windows 8 basically blocks this type of business practice. Yes Apple does this same but at least here we can look at Jailbreak but i highly doubt Microsoft will allow for this to happen if I look at Windows Phone history.

TL;DR Microsoft is showing companies like ours a big F. U.

This also includes applications like:
  • Open Office/Libre Office
  • VLC
  • Virtual Box
  • XBMC
and loads more.
 
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I dont know if i like the idea of a full desktop os on a tablet, it has its pro's and con's, in the end it does not really matter as long as it runs smoothly and easily navigate-able and then of coarse the make or break when it comes to the tablet and smartphone market App availability, if there are no decent App's and existing app's ported over then its going to fail.

I mean what would half the planet do without angry birds......work.....really?
 
Hands-on with Vivek Gowri | AnandTech:
... They weren't lying, even the preproduction units feel awesome in hand. The magnesium panels are finished with partial vapour deposition, a process that deposits a thin-film coating onto the panel using vacuum deposition (molecule-by-molecule deposits at sub-atmospheric pressure.) It gives the unit a distinctly premium feel, and one that's pretty different from most of the other metal-bodied systems out there particularly with the current trends towards anodization and brushed finishes. The body is 9.3mm thick (a tenth of a millimeter thinner than the latest iPad), and total weight comes in at 676g (or about 1.49 lbs), so it's denser feeling than the iPad.. The 31.5Wh battery isn't as large as the iPad's 42.5Wh, but the 1366x768 10.6" LCD definitely draws less power.

The hinges in the kickstand are spring-loaded, giving a very positive mechanical feel and noise. The hinge mechanism is particularly robust, and as mentioned in the keynote, was acoustically tuned to sound high quality. Microsoft seemed particularly OCD about certain design details, this being one of them. It paid off though, with a hinge that looks and feels ready to take a lot of abuse. The stand props the system up at 22 degrees, which is a common theme - the beveled edges are all angled at 22 degrees, and the rear camera is also angled at 22 degrees in the opposite direction. This is a pretty interesting one, since it means you can keep the tablet angled as is usually comfortable, and still shoot video straight ahead. It's a good idea, though probably one that will take a bit of adjustment in real life use.

My personal favourite part of the Surface is the cover. There's two of them - the Touch Cover, and the Type Cover, both with integrated keyboards and touchpads. The Type Cover has a traditional keyboard, albeit one with particularly shallow feel, along with physically clicking mouse buttons. The Touch Cover is very interesting - it has a pressure sensitive membrane keyboard with felt keys and mouse buttons housed in a cover that's totally 3mm thick. (The Type Cover is ~5.5mm thick). I wasn't able to get a feel for how typing actually feels on it, so I can't comment on responsiveness or accuracy, but our friend Ben Reed at Microsoft Hardware swears he can top 50 words per minute on it any given day. I'm inclined to believe him, but I can't comment firsthand until I can actually play with a working unit.

The outside of the covers is covered in a felt material, and when closed, the unit feels like one of the velour or felt-covered journals. It gives a decidedly organic, natural feel to a very inorganic device, something that Microsoft was very pleased to note. It's a pretty awesome idea, actually, taking the best parts of Apple's Smart Cover and ASUS' laptop dock and merging them together into one of the most innovative cases we've seen. I took away three major things from this event, and the only one them that directly related to the device hardware being shown off was that integrating the keyboard into the cover was a stroke of awesome.

For the first time, I can really see a tablet replacing a notebook as my primary computing device. Before today, I couldn't say that with any real conviction - I tried it with the iPad on multiple occasions, and it just didn't work. I'm a writer, tablets aren't ideal for writing. Surface changes that in a big way. And that's really what Microsoft is going for here - a device that fits into your life as a versatile tool to do anything you want it to. Whether they'll succeed in capturing the market is a story that will be told after Surface launches alongside Windows 8 later this year, but for now, this is a very promising start.

BBC TV here
 
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It looks pretty good.. a bit thick but good looking
The renderings make it look a lot thicker than it actually is. It is the same thickness (actually slightly thinner) as the iPad.
 
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@Arthur, yeah, I'm not sure that difference matters :P Edited nonetheless.
 
The Intel one would be like having a full on PC but on a tablet that can run all the programs and do all the work that your ultrabook can do. Not so much Windows RT with the ARM. I think this tablet (Intel version) is much more capable over the Ipad and Android devices.

The Intel one would have worse battery life, and part of my reasoning for wanting a tablet is that it will have long battery life. I have never owned a laptop due to them being rather bulky, underpowered and their short battery life, as well as their tiny keyboards (I especially hate when they reposition keys that I use often, such as home/end/delete etc)
I'm not concerned with running specific windows apps on a mobile device. The apps are just a means to an end, I can find alternative apps to do the same thing (for example, I can use an app to download Youtube videos on my phone, and a different app accomplishes the same thing on my PC)

Poppycock. Wildeboer wears blinkers and peddles a falsehood. Open Source is not a synonym for Free Software. Marketplace today has many free apps. I am certain RT marketplace will be the same - price is the copyright holder's call, not Microsoft's.

Free as in free speech, not free as in free beer.


So far I still like the keyboard cover idea, and I suspect the Chinese will build similar covers for Android and iOS devices.
 
MS seem to be taking a slightly different angle with this tablet. I thought to challenge the iPad they'd start by trying to beat them in the 'pretty' department. Cause this thing doesn't do pretty.
 
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