Microsoft Windows 8 plans leave Nokia hamstrung

[Nether]

Wondering how fragmented iPhone 4, 4S and 5 will be especially with the new screen size and specs...

 

[zamicro]

Ol' Elop's ass must be sore right now.

Maybe time to reactivate the MeeGo project and be in control of your own destiny?

But I'm sure they'll get their money back when Windows Phone 8 gets released. If it looks similar to the Lumia 800 design-wise and has a quad core heart beating inside, it would be the first Nokia phone I buy again since 2001.

And the Lumia 1000 will most probably come with a 100 megapixel camera, just to sweeten the deal.

And then risk the fact that it might not get the next upgrade? I will not risk it.

 

[kingrob]

And then risk the fact that it might not get the next upgrade? I will not risk it.

In Android world the standard for upgrades is : at least a dual-core phone with 1GB RAM, and it looks like the same applies to the Windows world.

So....if you get one of the new quad-core Windows phones, you're pretty much set for the foreseeable future.

The same with Microsoft's desktop OSes, my laptop ran Windows XP, Vista and now 7 with a breeze, and it's only a Core2Duo. And to me that's value for money, cos the same three year old laptop could run all three new OSes and will even run Windows 8 with no problems.

Same will hold true for the Windows 8 phone flavor.

 

[MightyMuffinMan]

schnaaied? seriously?

yeah wtf

 

[icyrus]

It is inevitable the Microsoft will buyout Nokia in the near future.

At least in the Android world you don't miss in features because of the lack of upgrades also you can take matters in your own hands and flash your own phone.

What effect does that have on the warranty?

 

[Syphonx]

It still surprises me the way that all the other phone OSs seem to completely ignore even 1 year old hardware... I mean, yes I love my iPhone 4s, but at least the iPhone 4 gets most of the new features, if there is a hardware reason for not being able to do something well like Siri, then they just don't get that feature, at least Apple don't tell their users, suck it up boy, you get nothing.
I mean even the iPhone 3S at least can Install the newer versions of the OS, yes it might not get things like the 3D maps and Siri, but at least you get the OS.
Have a look at any graph of the Android OS fragmentation, its crazy. I feel sorry for Android users that cannot get the newest OS. I t would really irritate me.

Gingerbread has pretty much every feature needed, missing out on ICS is mostly just a visual overhaul, no important new features to miss out on

 

[kingrob]

Gingerbread has pretty much every feature needed, missing out on ICS is mostly just a visual overhaul, no important new features to miss out on

+1

I actually moved back from ICS to Gingerbread, as I like the feel and look of Gingerbread more.

 

[LazyLion]

Maybe Microsoft also "schnaained" themselves also a little bit in the process.

Because if Nokia gets mad at them and backs away a little bit... they lost a strategic partnership.
And if Win8 doesn't work out as well on all the other manufacturers, then there is no running back to Nokia begging.

 

[elvis_presley]

Because if Nokia gets mad at them and backs away a little bit... they lost a strategic partnership.
And if Win8 doesn't work out as well on all the other manufacturers, then there is no running back to Nokia begging.

Nokia can't back away now - WP7 is about the only part of the company making a profit at the moment.

Nokia has obviously known about this for ages and MS/Nokia have talked it out, I'm sure they have a plan. Besides, most users really don't care - how many normals do you see using Android devices with old versions, they don't know what ICS is, and never will see it on their devices. WP7 users will see the new WP7.8 start screen, probably get free navigation and think hey cool, nice update! And get on with their lives.

As a WP7 user, I'm disappointed about the EOL of the hardware, but as a geek I'm happy as this is a great excuse to buy a new WP8 phone!

HTC announced their WP8 lineup today (looks like it mirrors their One range), so looks like they're eager to get back in the game - they've been hurting on the Android side lately, and have seen how well WP7 worked for Nokia when they gave it some attention.

 

[Bern]

Hmmm, not sure MS would really want to buy Nokia, although this is a nice way to push the share price down even further.

Nokia, I hope you have a team frantically working on Tizen or some advanced Win8 phone in the wings....

 

[Elimentals]

Hmmm, not sure MS would really want to buy Nokia, although this is a nice way to push the share price down even further.

Nokia, I hope you have a team frantically working on Tizen or some advanced Win8 phone in the wings....

In that case they gonna have to share space with Samsung, I hear.

I bet you right now someone in Nokia is going "Crap we should never have let go of that department."

Can already see the headlines: Samsung taken to court for copying the new Lumia range

 

[Elimentals]

It still surprises me the way that all the other phone OSs seem to completely ignore even 1 year old hardware... I mean, yes I love my iPhone 4s, but at least the iPhone 4 gets most of the new features, if there is a hardware reason for not being able to do something well like Siri, then they just don't get that feature, at least Apple don't tell their users, suck it up boy, you get nothing.
I mean even the iPhone 3S at least can Install the newer versions of the OS, yes it might not get things like the 3D maps and Siri, but at least you get the OS.
Have a look at any graph of the Android OS fragmentation, its crazy. I feel sorry for Android users that cannot get the newest OS. I t would really irritate me.

It is inevitable the Microsoft will buyout Nokia in the near future.
What effect does that have on the warranty?

You are aware that Android address the OS fragmentation issue with 2 step plan.

1. Its modular, unlike other OS's we do not have to wait for a new update to roll out, just to get the new maps/music/Mail or whatever application. They update strait out of the market regardless of what phone you running, be it an old Crappy single core from 2010 or a brand new quadcore from 2012. It does not matter what OS you run or what update you get. So in All most if not all the functions are covered from this angle. The same even goes for the UI where the launcher/start screen or dailer can be replaced with whatever you feel like. Want a new Keyboard? Got that covered as well.

So you see most of what other phones call OS updates, can be done without the need for a Kernel or OS number change.

2. Its Open, if you really need the updated Kernel you can as a last resort root and flash the the phone (Well that is if you don't wanna wait for an official update from the OEM) As again unlike other phone operating systems the source code is freely available and can be downloaded/edited and compiled by anyone that wants to do it. Or as in most people's case go look for a ROM that has already done this.

So you have access to the code to do it yourself.

If iOS or WP tell you screw you, you can not go but I want it, See example Siri where Apple decided nope not gonna give it to older ones. On SGSIII all the "hackers" did was export the S Voice and made it available for anyone with root to install it.

Yes you void your Warranty the moment you root, but the same goes for iOS when you Jailbrake or Windows Phone when you Pay to unlock it so its one in the same, besides loads of people on all 3 had their phones repaired even with void warranties. So so much for that boogy man stories.

 

[news24]

Guys Lumina/Windows Sucks.

Eish, I bought the Lumina 900 a week ago and sold my iPhone4S. Now Microsoft just announced that Windows Phone8 apps won't be supported on Windows 7.8 . Its a good thing that with At&t if you don't like your phone you can return it within 30 days, pity that bracket will close before the S3 is released, I'll just have to settle for OneX.

What I did not Like about Lumina900
-Camera very very slow, to take one pic takes forever(I can take 10 photos with iPhone4S before it captures just one)
-The photo quality is shyte.
-You cannot multi-select pics and erase them, you have to do everything one-by-one
-Cannot print from the damn phone
-100000 apps and they are all shyte
-No Dropbox support, just a lame viewer
-Tellme sucks, I miss Siri
-Notifications Sucks
-Web browser is Terrible
-The Screen is painful to look at

What I liked
-Fresh interface
-Some nifty built-in apps
-Email is awesome.

 

[undesign]

You are aware that Android address the OS fragmentation issue with 2 step plan.

1. Its modular, unlike other OS's we do not have to wait for a new update to roll out, just to get the new maps/music/Mail or whatever application. They update strait out of the market regardless of what phone you running, be it an old Crappy single core from 2010 or a brand new quadcore from 2012. It does not matter what OS you run or what update you get. So in All most if not all the functions are covered from this angle. The same even goes for the UI where the launcher/start screen or dailer can be replaced with whatever you feel like. Want a new Keyboard? Got that covered as well.

So you see most of what other phones call OS updates, can be done without the need for a Kernel or OS number change.

2. Its Open, if you really need the updated Kernel you can as a last resort root and flash the the phone (Well that is if you don't wanna wait for an official update from the OEM) As again unlike other phone operating systems the source code is freely available and can be downloaded/edited and compiled by anyone that wants to do it. Or as in most people's case go look for a ROM that has already done this.

So you have access to the code to do it yourself.

If iOS or WP tell you screw you, you can not go but I want it, See example Siri where Apple decided nope not gonna give it to older ones. On SGSIII all the "hackers" did was export the S Voice and made it available for anyone with root to install it.

Yes you void your Warranty the moment you root, but the same goes for iOS when you Jailbrake or Windows Phone when you Pay to unlock it so its one in the same, besides loads of people on all 3 had their phones repaired even with void warranties. So so much for that boogy man stories.

Seems that users aren't terribly fussed by the fragmentation (myBB geeks excluded ). Must be terrible for developers surely?

http://m.cnet.com/news/android-updates-embarrassing-but-do-users-notice/57449588

 

[The_Unbeliever]

So glad I ditched Nokia and went Samsung.

 

[Elimentals]

Seems that users aren't terribly fussed by the fragmentation (myBB geeks excluded ). Must be terrible for developers surely?

http://m.cnet.com/news/android-updates-embarrassing-but-do-users-notice/57449588

Interesting link, thanx for the share.

I can answer from our side re the development or how we see it in our company.

We are guilty of the same, developing for iOS 1st and only if there is demand on iOS, do we expand to Android.

A. iOS is a better "test" environment as there is less things that could interfere with our application. The sand-boxing of the OS and the lack of root/custom roms makes it easier to problem solve and debug. Android have way to many things that could cause funny reaction in a app and loads of them are external (Other developers that stuff around to roms that excluded some library)

B. iOS users are full of ****, no question about it. If they don't like the flow of a program or the look of a picture, they tell you, unlike Android users that make do. iOS users will tell you if a button looks funny, and demand you fix it. Android users will just move on and look for another app.

Only when above 2 are sorted will we look at demand or how many people wanted the application vs how many is on the market (iOS users are more willing to pay as well not because they have money or piracy but because they lack that make do attitude that Android users normally have) If demand is high we make an Android app but only target the top brands/version. 9 times out of 10 that is all that is needed. If there are complaint on model X give this problem we will then look at expanding but only then.

 

[CorneN]

LOVE LOVE LOVE the article name!!!

As you were

 

[McCrazieGoalz]

So glad I ditched Nokia and went Samsung.

I used to hate Nokia and Microsoft for the same reasons I now hate Apple, Samsung and Google.

 

[Arthur]

What a bullshit article. So naïve it's beyond even a groan. What an embarrassment.

There is no way a company like Nokia bets the house on a platform without clear sight of Microsoft's plans for WP, right from WP7.0 through WP8, WP9 and beyond - and every rev in between. How do these journalists think multi-million or multi-billion deals are done by decades-seasoned business people, for crying in a bucket!? A quick PowerPoint and demo, and "ok, that's cool" and ink the deal??? Maybe that's the way the 20-something billionaire-boyz do it, but not these guys. It is naïve beyond words, especially when it comes to these two particular companies.

This gives journalism a bad name.

 

[GaryD]

What a bullshit article. So naïve it's beyond even a groan. What an embarrassment.

There is no way a company like Nokia bets the house on a platform without clear sight of Microsoft's plans for WP, right from WP7.0 through WP8, WP9 and beyond - and every rev in between. How do these journalists think multi-million or multi-billion deals are done by decades-seasoned business people, for crying in a bucket!? A quick PowerPoint and demo, and "ok, that's cool" and ink the deal??? Maybe that's the way the 20-something billionaire-boyz do it, but not these guys. It is naïve beyond words, especially when it comes to these two particular companies.

This gives journalism a bad name.

+1